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Consumers purchase the Sedona because they drive it, evaluate it, compare and contrast it, perform a cost/benefit analysis, and come to the conclusion that it's everything they need. If they also conclude that an Odyssey meets their needs and wants criteria following the same process, then they have to evaluate the fact that the Sedona costs 20-30% less than the Odyssey. One consumer put the price delta at $15K! Nobody "buys it because of the cheap price." - NO ONE. Price is just one of the decision factors - and yes, it's quite an overwhelming one. (I doubt if an endorsement from a young golf pro could mitigate this issue.) Price and other Sedona differentiators, like a better cockpit design or the ability to tow without voiding the warranty, provide ample opportunity for the consumer to weigh certain priorities and preference factors. |
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You are incorrect Ody1... get your facts straight. The Odyssey does not have the most space. The Chrysler T&C has more, 186cft vs the Ody's 146cft. Hmmmmm, interesting isn't it? The Ody also has less front and rear shoulder room than the DC van, less rear hip room, is narrower, shorter and has a shorter wheelbase. It also has a lower towing capacity, which is important to some consumers. Consumers are who buy these vehicles, not automotive editors. It has the most power, but not until 5500rpm, and the redline of the engine is 6000rpm. Hardly a useable amount of power. I keep hearing the same words and nothing new, can you say something different please? If you would take your blinders off for just one second Ody1, you'd notice that the CONSUMERS rate the Odyssey as a 9.0. The MPV is CONSUMER RATED a 9.7 and the VW Eurovan is rated a 9.9. So, you must think that the consumers are ignorant since they rate the Ody lower? Also, get your facts straight regarding TMV... According to edmunds: "The Edmunds.com True Market Value® (TMV®) price is our estimate of the current average national selling price for this vehicle. It is what you need to know to negotiate a fair price." |
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Ody01 posts are designed to fit in the discussion space available located on the consumer opinion page of the vehicle description, which lists the first three lines of the two most recent posts.... |
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Interesting theory, but I haven't seen an example yet. Can you point me to a specific model where it's happening? Thanks! Steve Host SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards |
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I do believe you're onto something there hoya! /j |
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Well, I can't beleive somebody didn't nail you on your semantic games earlier, but here goes: The Chrylser Town and Country only has 168 cu.ft. of cargo capaciy . Not "186cft". The Odyssey only have 146 cu. ft. of cargo capacity because the folding seat cannot be removed, so its volume is subtracted. Your selective and biased post is just dishonerable. Its also a prime example of selective journalism. You fail to even mention ANY of the other statistics supporting Ody01's claims. The luggage capacity on the Ody is 38.1cft, and only 17.8 on the T&C. That's over twice as much. Passenger volume on the Ody is 170.7 cft. and only 164.9 on the T&C. The T&C only has 9% more towing capacity. Your attempts to grasp for positive interior dimentions are quite comical, as you have left out ALL the instances in which the Odyssey beats the town and country on interior dimentions and there are quite a few. Also, the instances in which the T&C beat the Ody were by fractions of an inch and there are several instances where the Ody beats the T&C quite handily. Let me list all of the instances that you left out (which would be every single other dimension that edmunds gives): Front Head Room: 41.2 in. Front Hip Room: 57.8 in Rear Head Room: 40 in. Front Leg Room: 41 in Rear Leg Room: 40 in. Now, subtracting the differences between the dimensions of the T&C and the Ody, that makes the Ody the winner by several inches. As for consumer ratings, although I'm not quite sure where you got your numbers from(you should cite your sources),theres an element of self justification in all ratings given by consumers and therefore I would be highly skeptical of consumer surveys, especially non-scientific ones. (All information was taken from Carpoint of Edmunds) |
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First, I valued your well thought out post in response to me, thanks. Semantic games though and my post dishonerable? That hurts, lol. 
Regarding the DC's total cubes, my bad, I transposed the number on accident. It was not intentional, so I stand corrected, thank you. To be sure that you don't think I just conjured the figures up, the numbers were pulled from http:/www.autotrader.com. If you would like the exact url, just say so and I'll happily provide it for you. The rear cargo room in a T&C is rated at 20.0cubes according to the source I cited, although I've seen the figure you cited as well.
As for consumer ratings in TownHall, I got them right here on edmunds. You are correct, there is a level of cognitive reasurance displayed when folks post a review. OTOH, don't fool yourself into thinking that automotive press is objective either. Gosh, who is? I know I am not.
I wouldn't be skeptical of consumer surveys, personally. Where do you think companies get their information for what to produce? They don't sit in a dimly-lit, smokey, cherry panelled room and decide that Joe Consumer will want to buy whatever they come up with (yes, I'm dramatizing). Okay, maybe Pontiac does this, but companies use consumer surveys to figure out what the consumer wants and doing away with what the consumer doesn't want.
However, you missed the point of my post entirely I am afraid. I was writing exactly what Ody01 writes, only posting the facts that were advantageous to my goal. I was also pointing out his error, just as you kindly did for me. Now, read Ody01's post... "Other minivans may be good if owner never takes long trips, has no family or never wants to haul large, bulky items. " What?!? I have a family, carried them over 3,000 miles in 4 days over roads you don't even want to know about in a Non-Odyssey, and we all thought it was a wonderful vehicle to take on a long trip. I did not say that the Odyssey (or any other vehicle) would not have been a good vehicle for this. |
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