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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#3647 of 3798 Re: Inside Line comparo of 2011 Odessey vs Sienna [yatesjo]
Oct 21, 2010 (7:07 am)
I'll pre-empt this by saying that for me the 8 seats were a priority, and today's Odyssey offers a bigger/better 8th seat (middle row, center), so that would likely be my choice.
That write-up is severely flawed.
First, if they drove an Ody priced like their Sienna, it would have come with a lesser 5 speed transmission, hurting both acceleration and fuel economy.
Then they missed many, many things the Sienna offers, like the Harmon Kardon stereo upgrade and auto-off headlights (heck, my 07 LE has those). In the features they also overlooked the Sienna's AWD option, a big one, plus the power folding 3rd row seats, and the laser cruise control.
Those are big ticket items - having an AWD option and power 3rd row folding seats is far more important than 45 extra watts (650 vs. 605 - who cares?) on the stereo or a power passenger seat (and to be honest I wonder if they got that part wrong, too).
Edmunds needs to re-write that article, it's very flawed.
Let's see them compare a similarly priced Ody EX to a Sienna SE, which is the model Toyota designed to compete with Honda. You and I agree there.
That plus hire a fact-checker.
All in all, Honda moved the ball forward, Toyota sort of let it roll backwards.
That I agree with.
Tough call, though, because unless you spend more then $40 grand you'll get a lesser powertrain in the Honda.
To be totally honest? I might even shop for a CPO 2010 Sienna if I were in the market today. I really want a comfortable 8th seat, and even Honda's new one, while far better than Toyota's new one, is no match for the excellent adult-sized seat in the 2004-2010 Sienna.
#3648 of 3798 We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best
Oct 21, 2010 (8:45 am)
After reading many reports on people's impressions of the 2011 Sienna and Odyssey, some strongly liking one or the other, I am left with the impression that "to each his own" is the best philosophy.
My wife and I both recently tested and compared the 2011 Sienna Limited vs the Oddysey Touring, and I agree with the impression that the Odyssey is more set up as a driver's car, with slightly firmer steering. However, we thought the Odyssey's interior was perceptibly less spacious and the front seats were firmer, narrower, and more uncomfortable. They would bother me on a long trip. My wife also very much liked the Sienna's reclining 2nd row seats with the footrest, and the way the center console slid backwards to make cupholders more accessible to 2nd row passengers.
We also liked the Sienna's styling (never have liked the Odyssey's open rear door channels). So we have a clear preference for the 2011 Sienna, and ordered one last night. For those who like the Odyssey instead, whatever fills your van,
#3649 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [pmcb48]
Oct 21, 2010 (8:51 am)
I'm not sure why Honda hasn't found a way to hide those large door seams - everyone else has.
I prefer the styling on the Toyota as well, by a wide margin, but for me that would be a very low priority.
#3650 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [ateixeira]
Oct 21, 2010 (9:01 am)
Because it would cut down on shoulder room by 4 inches, according to Honda.
#3651 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [thegraduate]
Oct 21, 2010 (9:29 am)
I will let you guess which of these has more shoulder room in the 2nd and 3rd rows....the one that hides the sliding door tracks -> Sienna.
Lame excuse by Honda engineers. "Sorry about the ugly design, it's so that we could offer less room!"
#3652 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [ateixeira]
Oct 21, 2010 (9:42 am)
I don't think styling should ever be a "very low priority." I may need to buy a tank, but given everything else being hopefully relatively equal, I'm going to pick the better-looking tank.
#3653 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [pmcb48]
Oct 21, 2010 (10:00 am)
I don't ignore it totally, but these things are more important to me:
* interior comfort
* powertrain performance
* fuel economy
* cargo space
* number of cup holders
Just kidding on that last one. Sort of.
#3654 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [ateixeira]
Oct 21, 2010 (10:02 am)
Just conveying their message.
I don't have time to look it up at the moment, but I'd like to see how wide the rear tracks are, the overall width of the vans, and the interior hip/shoulder room measures.
#3655 of 3798 Re: We Like the 2011 Sienna Limited Best [thegraduate]
Oct 21, 2010 (10:42 am)
Didn't mean to shoot the messenger. I meant to shoot the Honda engineer who said that. LOL
So with more than inch of extra girth to work with, it's still more narrow inside, and they still could not sort out how to hide the seat tracks.
#3656 of 3798 Re: Inside Line comparo of 2011 Odessey vs Sienna [ateixeira]
Oct 21, 2010 (11:36 am)
I agree. A highly flawed review.
It was overly focused on things that are important to car reviewers rather than minivan buyers. We have to read between the lines and study the pictures to find what is relevant to us as minivan users. Most reviews go on and on about about handling (thus my foregone conclusion about picking the Honda), but what most buyers are most interested in are "does it go?" and "does it stop?" (in both acceleration and braking the Toyota actually has the advantage.) and not so much in how fast they can round the curve (the passengers complain about being tossed about).
In addition to ignoring the SE option on the Sienna, they compare top of the range vs upper middle range. A common problem with these reviews is most people buying vans don't buy the top model, they buy the middle range. As you pointed out that the Honda performance and economy is highly related to the transmission only available to this trim level.
A minivan review needs to be more about how comfortable is the passenger space (seats in all positions, noise), safety equipment (brakes, airbags, LATCH positions), how well sorted out the controls (especially entertainment system), availability of storage space... Honda seems to have improved a number of those areas, but they were far from the focus of the author.
We agree again about getting a 2010 or earlier Sienna as possibly being the better option. In the last week I suggested that to a friend at work who wants a new 8 passenger vehicle for long family trips.