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Domestic or foreign by petaka
May 16, 2009 (10:45 am)
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Problems with my ten year old Quest have me going over this tread but it seems that somehow the domestic folks have put themselves out of business.
Take my Quest/Villager (built by Ford and Nissan). It has a decent size and power and it is extremely comfortable. So why couldn't Ford keep building something similar? Both Ford and Nissan replaced it with their own tuna boats and the Ford version was so unappealing that it has been discontinued. Kia, Chrysler, Mazda and Toyota used to have smaller vans but the alluring thing was to build tuna boats.
I would like to help the domestics but so far the only one that comes close to my old Quest is the Sienna.
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Re: Torque Curves [lavrishevo] by ateixeira
May 18, 2009 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: lavrishevo (May 15, 2009 3:34 pm)

I waited for the 2007 model Sienna, because I REALLY wanted that 3.5l chain-driven V6. Lots more power, no more fuel, no belt to change.
 
Like I said, if I had seen $8 grand savings I'd be driving a Korean van now.
 
NHTSA and IIHS have not tested a 2007+ Sienna, and I think they should because it's a totally different engine block from the 2004-2006 3.3l V6, plus there were changes to the firewall and to the front door pillars.
 
Even so, you can watch videos here:
 
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/safety-recalls/carcrashtest/crashtestvid- eo.htm
 
Sienna earned a Good score from IIHS in frontal offset and in the side impact tests, and that's the best score possible.
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Re: Is Dodge that bad? [voiceofstl] by ateixeira
May 18, 2009 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: voiceofstl (May 16, 2009 6:58 am)

FWIW, when I was minivan shopping the latest Dodge van was not out yet. The old one didn't even have 2nd row windows that open, and my kids really wanted that.
 
I have seen the new one since and I don't feel like I missed out on anything. Features are clever but execution could be a lot better. Maybe Fiat will get it right.
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Re: Torque Curves [ateixeira] by lavrishevo
May 19, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 18, 2009 12:17 pm)

I have really spent all my life in the U.S. and purchased 4 cars from various parts of the country. I became the dealers archenemy... hehe I was ruthless when it came to negotiating a deal.
 
In the states the price difference would be closer to 4 - 6 thousand as you mentioned but here in PR it is a different story, especially factoring the excise tax. Can you imagine paying 31 - 32 grand minimum for a Ody? what a joke! Life in the Caribbean... But then again PR makes Florida look like the beaches in Jersey...
 
I also test drover the older version Dodge, hated it. I had a 08 Caravan for a rental, hated it as well and it had nothing to do with it being a rental. It just felt so blah to drive, sight lines are terrible, engine noise, uncomfortable seats, poorly designed interior, and ugly to boot. I am so, so happy I did not wait for the new Dodge back at the end of 06. Again, this is just my personal experience and I am sure there are people who will swear by the new Caravan but I was not impressed in the least. As I wrote in a post while back, while my van was having the bumper painted and replaced in the body shop I was driving the caravan and could not wait to get the Sedona back. Not to mention the Dodge only had I think a little over 8,000 miles on it.
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Re: Torque Curves [lavrishevo] by ateixeira
May 20, 2009 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: lavrishevo (May 19, 2009 4:20 pm)

No, I can't imagine paying more than $30 grand for a vehicle my family needs, but I really don't "want". A van is something you have to buy, and then when you do, you like it. To spend more than $30 grand I'd hope to feel passionate about it, so no thanks.
 
I drove my van down to Florida in January, and my brother rented a Dodge van. I drove it from the hotel to a store around the corner, so it was a quick hop, but I wasn't really impressed, the interior materials were awful. To be fair the rental ones are usually mid-level models without anything fancy, but then again so is my Sienna.
 
My van was also much quicker and I was getting much better mileage than my brother got on the same drives, though he has one more kid and may have had a bit more weight in his van.

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