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Re: What to get???....need help [kiams] by ateixeira
Feb 06, 2009 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: kiams (Feb 05, 2009 4:06 pm)

I like the MPV and considered it my favorite van for a long time before I bought my Sienna. My friends kept telling me it might not be big enough for my needs.
 
I'm glad they told me that because at times I've used every bit of space in our Sienna, and today the MPV seems small to me. With a wheelchair you may want to consider how much cargo room you'll have since the chair itself already takes up some space.
 
I think the side-by-slide seats in the 2nd row are an industry-best, though.
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Re: What to get???....need help [kiams] by hause7
Feb 06, 2009 (2:33 pm)
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Replying to: kiams (Feb 05, 2009 4:06 pm)

I don't want to sound Bias. I only say stay away from the MPV because of a close family friend's personal experience. I mean they are cool looking minivans, our friend drives an 04 LX with the sport package in that Dark Green color. BUT they are on there 3rd transmission at 72,000 miles! 2 of them replaced under warranty. I don't know if it's reliability dropped because it's basically a Ford drivetrain or what, but they are looking to get rid of theirs.
 
Go with a used Sienna or Odyssey. You can find them for that price, probably more Sienna's because the Odyssey's tend to be more pricey used.
 
good luck.
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85% chance it' gonna be Oddy by kiams
Feb 07, 2009 (8:19 am)
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I had a chance to drive an 2005 Oddy EX-L and I have to admit,...me likey likey...
 
I just layed 10 separate Bank of America envelopes with ten $100 bills inside on the table at a Toyota dealership after the test drive and the used car manager threw a hissy fit...
 
He goes, "I got that car for more 11K, I have put $1000 work into it, here's the invoices...I'm not gonna let that car go for less than $12,900"
 
I just picked up my envelopes, smiled and asked him to call me when the van is there on day 59....BTW the van was at their sister Honda dealership for more than 75 days...and it's been at the Toyota dealeship for 25 days so far...
 
Oh and by the way, I got introduced to a friend who has a dealer license and says he can get me a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX-L with less than 60K from the auction for 10K plus $350 service fee and $350 auction fees and $750 warranty (5yrs/100K) coverage...total $11,500...does this sound feasible?
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Re: Used or new [hause7] by eandlcubed
Feb 07, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: hause7 (Jan 11, 2009 10:28 pm)

for hause7. your email is marked 'private' so i can't send you mail. if you are the same hause on sienna club, i want to ask if you knew the site is down? i tried and it directed me to the same url but more like a search engine. thanks -ecandlcubed
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Re: Used or new [eandlcubed] by hause7
Feb 07, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: eandlcubed (Feb 07, 2009 8:27 am)

Hey Yeah I been trying to get on since Thursday. It has been pissing me off . This blonde girl pops up and shows RELATED SEARCHES. I hope it's not down for good.
Man I hope they fix it.
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Re: 85% chance it' gonna be Oddy [kiams] by jchan2
Feb 07, 2009 (9:39 pm)
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Replying to: kiams (Feb 07, 2009 8:19 am)

I don't know about the '05 Odyssey; it still a somewhat flimsy transmission design that fails at a higher rate than the newer ones; it could be a roll of the dice. Odysseys have had some serious transmission issues in the 1999-2004 design, and some of those bugs could have rolled over into the '05s. The transmission was strengthened in 2007 with a newer design.
 
Although at $11,500 it seems like a decent price. With the 5 years, 100K warranty, I'd probably give it a shot.
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Re: 85% chance it' gonna be Oddy [jchan2] by sebring95
Feb 08, 2009 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Feb 07, 2009 9:39 pm)

I don't know about the '05 Odyssey; it still a somewhat flimsy transmission design that fails at a higher rate than the newer ones;
 
What data are you basing this on? Having been sociable on all the Ody forums around the net since buying our '05, I've seen one instance of an '05 tranny grenading and a couple replaced due to seal leaks....all at very low mileage. In recent months, I've seen two different posts of '07 trannys being replaced. It's certainly nothing like the Ody trannys from years past where it's more surprising that the tranny DIDN'T crash. I know they switched to the 4-shaft transmission in '07 although I have my doubts that was done for any reliability reasons...I'm wagering it was to simplify the supply chain. In speaking with my dealer, they've not replaced a single transmission yet from the '05+ models and said they service several with over 100k. They get complaints about the downshifting while braking....but that seems to be the norm on most newer transmissions these days. As a precaution, I'm doing a fluid swap (just drain/fill) on the tranny every 30k miles. Cheap insurance if nothing else.
 
Once we got through a few of the common problems on the '05 Odys....we've been smooth sailing. Now crossing 50k miles recently and haven't had a complaint in a good year. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an '05 as long as the updates had been applied.
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Re: 85% chance it' gonna be Oddy [sebring95] by kiams
Feb 08, 2009 (8:05 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 08, 2009 7:37 am)

Once we got through a few of the common problems on the '05 Odys....we've been smooth sailing. Now crossing 50k miles recently and haven't had a complaint in a good year. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an '05 as long as the updates had been applied
 
Thanks, btw, care to list them for me please? I want to be as knowledgeable and well armed as possible on this decision.
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Re: 85% chance it' gonna be Oddy [kiams] by sebring95
Feb 08, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: kiams (Feb 08, 2009 8:05 am)

The three "big" problems from the '05 models seem to be the brake groaning, windshield whistle, and power steering pump whining. I was aware of all three TSB's before we complained to the dealer about any of the issues. The brake groaning was very erratic, started after the first year and would do it maybe once a month. The windshield whistle started very early but it only seemed to occur at certain speeds with certain winds and usually only when raining. The power steering started to whine around 20k miles and that's when I took it in and complained about all three issues. They installed new updated pads, turned the rotors, new updated power-steering pump, and new windshield trim.
 
Other issues we've had include the six-disc CD changer acting goofy and the DVD system freezing up about 30 minutes into a movie. They replaced both six-disc changer and the DVD player without question. The last "repair" I've had was last winter when I was in for service (around 35k miles) I complained that the rear hatch was very slow to open when it was cold. They put new struts on the rear hatch under warranty.
 
So in terms of shear problems, we've had quite a few issues although none really amounted to much. The fact that the three major ones were known issues that were supposedly corrected by updated parts....I'm hoping those issues won't reoccur. I've owned quite a few first-year vehicles and I've had far worse. We really like the Odyssey though and have kept it much longer than we normally keep our travel vehicle. I might just be getting cheaper in my old age though, but I honestly haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet.
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Re: 85% chance it' gonna be Oddy [sebring95] by jchan2
Feb 08, 2009 (9:05 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (Feb 08, 2009 7:37 am)

I seem to recall reading on the Ody transmission board somewhere that a few '05 transmissions had failed, or maybe I was getting those mixed up in the massive amounts of '99-'04 models that had failed transmissions.
 
In this case, yeah, just buy the '05 Odyssey and call it a day.

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