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You are in the Vans & Minivans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#3112 of 3798 Re: Driver's leg room in Sienna? [hansienna]
Jun 20, 2007 (4:12 am)
Yeah, but you're comparing numbers on paper. They don't always work out the same in the real world. Plus Toyota would never be creative with their numbers would they?
I always get a kick out of their specs of the previous generation Tundra. They claim my 2005 Tundra is 79.3" wide, compared to my 2003 Dodge Ram 3500 which spec's at 79.9" wide. I think Toyota is measuring to the outside mirrors to come up with that number, because they're not even close to being the same width. I question everything Toyota says these days.
#3113 of 3798 Did you try telescoping and tilting the Sienna steering wheel?
Jun 20, 2007 (9:23 am)
The distance between knees and the steering wheel can be increased by telescoping the steering wheel out and tilting it upward and by lowering the driver's seat and moving the seat all the way rearward.
Since I am not very tall, I like my Sienna LE power seat raised as high as it will go and moved forward considerably. The driver's seat can move forward sufficiently so my 5' 0" tall wife is comfortable. I have the steering wheel telescoped in as far as it will go and the tilt in the mid range.
#3114 of 3798 Re: Did you try telescoping and tilting the Sienna steering wheel? [hansienna]
Jun 20, 2007 (9:41 am)
I liked the Sienna a lot for many reasons - and still do, but would never again buy the current configuration.
Mine was a 2005 XLE Limited AWD. I had mine a month during which I tried every combination of telescoping/tilt wheel, and power seat position possible. There was never a position I found comfortable. That should never occur in MSRP an 43K vehicle. I am 5'11" and 185 pounds.
The poor comfort was one of the many reasons I forced them to take the car back after one month - the rest were quality and workmanship issues.
I sat in a 2007 recently hoping they had changed the arrangement - there was nothing different, so I was not able to buy it.
I tried the Oddessy as well and found the seating possibilities far more comfortable but still not acceptable due the overall cramped cockpit area.
I still recommend the Toyota line as a fine choice in vehicles, but one needs to be very selective in picking one, and there are now many other makes to choose from.
#3115 of 3798 Re: Toyota drivers seat [hondaford]
Jun 20, 2007 (9:41 am)
Definitely play with the tilt and telescoping steering wheel. It adjust over a wide range.
I'm 6' tall and I don't even nearly put the seat all the way back. In fact I could probably slide it back several more inches if I had to.
I set my left foot flat on the floor. The dead pedal is at an odd angle (I had the same problem with the Odyssey), so I don't use it.
Just crossed 1000 miles and in terms of pure comfort the Sienna is supreme. For twisties the seats could use higher bolstering on the sides but I save that type of driving for my Miata.
#3116 of 3798 Domestic VS Foreign???
Jun 29, 2007 (6:50 am)
This(Domestic Vs Foreign) should spice up this minivan discussion a bit.
Though it is no longer available in the U.S market, the Mazda MPV stands out heads and shoulders above the rest of its foreign teammates, who shall remain nameless... and rightfully so.
Really this battle is over before the bell rings. GM...out!
Ford... K'Oed For team domestic it is Big Bad Chrysler standing alone. There is no other competition. So, maybe this discussion should be renamed "Chrysler Vs Foreign"?
#3117 of 3798 Re: Domestic VS Foreign OR Chrysler Vs Foreign ??? [jipster]
Jun 30, 2007 (6:54 pm)
Last time I looked, my Sienna has the HIGHEST percentage "Made in USA" of any minivan.
#3118 of 3798 Need help. Which minivan would you buy, and why?
Jun 29, 2007 (4:23 pm)
Which minivan would you buy, and why?
Here are my options.
1) 2006 Toyota Sienna LE, 30,000 miles owned by a rental company. $21,000, $10000 down, 10% interest. I went in and gave a $1000 deposit. But then the rental place kept letting a customer drive it for 2 weeks and refused to give it to my dealer. Finally after 2 weeks, I said "I don't want it now!" by email, and that day I got an email from my dealer that he had gone to pick it up (after my email). It arrived at my dealer, front tires are worn. Dealer said this is not unusual, they get cars that way, and as the dealer, he'll replace them. I just feel very dicked around with and like the van is no longer worth it. Buying this van will exhaust all of our money, and if it needs repairs, we'll be in deep crap. But then again, it is a newer Sienna....
2) Save money and get a 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT for same or less miles for less money. Have easier payments and money to fix it if needed. But the quality is not that of Sienna, and we need something that we are going to drive for a long time.
3) New Dodge Grand Caravan for about 21k. Same problem with exhausting our money, but at least maybe no repairs for a long time and a good warranty.
4) Get a different Toyota Sienna for less money (About $14k-- the same as a newer Dodge with less miles), but it would be older (maybe a 2003 or 2004) with about 45-60k miles.
Are there people who would rather have an older Sienna with more miles than a newer Dodge with less? All input is appreciated.
I've had a lot of bad luck with a Dodge Shadow and Plymouth Voyager, so I am reluctant to buy a Dodge/Chrysler product. I want reliability. But I am also afraid of buying a used product with payments that I have to repair.
If we buy Dodge, a family Dodge mechanic will service the van as need without ripping us off. However, we were fed up with always servicing the Voyager, and wanted something reliable. If we buy Toyota, we will be at the mercy of a stranger, but hopefully not often.
What would you buy?
#3119 of 3798 Re: Domestic VS Foreign??? [jipster]
Jul 02, 2007 (12:02 pm)
Mazda MPV stands out heads and shoulders above the rest
I strongly considered the MPV for a long time, but just could not pull the trigger. It did have some really cool features:
* was truly "mini" and drove that way
* side-by-slide is best 2nd row in the business
* 2nd row windows open
But, it's also missing some key features:
* can't fit a 4'x8' inside
* no split-folding 3rd row
* HP adequate, but well shy of the best
* no gas mileage advantage for that sacrifice in HP
Once the better vans copied the 2nd row windows it no longer stood out. It had to compete on one thing alone - price.
The CX9 replaced it and just look at what people are paying - $10 grand more than MPV transaction prices.
#3120 of 3798 Re: Need help. Which minivan would you buy, and why? [azjost]
Jul 02, 2007 (12:04 pm)
Used is used. That makes it a tough call. Buying a used rental car is like buying a matress from a motel. I'd say no thanks.
Spend more to get a base Toyota Sienna CE and sacrifice a few features. You can get them for $22k or so. You still get all the airbags, 266hp, and up to 8 seats. You can get stability control in a package and still stay close to the Dodges in price.
But used rental vs. brand new, I'd pick new. New anything, brand hardly even matters at that point.
#3121 of 3798 Re: Need help. Which minivan would you buy, and why? [azjost]
Jul 02, 2007 (12:24 pm)
Buying a rental car at any price is a very chancy undertaking. They are not to be confused with lease car returns which, although somewhat risky, are far and away a better risk than rental returns. Rentals are beat to death by half the drivers who get behind the wheel (I am one of those!). I worked in auto repair for many years and also in rental cars for a shorter period.
The only way it would be close to a bargain is if you get it for wholesale book or less, and even then it will be a worry. If you do buy it get an additional bumper to bumper warranty with it, even if you have to pay for it.
Again, a chancy undertaking at best.