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You are in the Vans & Minivans
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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#308 of 3798 Re: using a little humor [hansienna]
Feb 24, 2005 (7:15 pm)
I respect everything you said in that last post. If money was no object for me I too would buy the Honda. They and Toyota are leading the world in quality standards right now. I just cant stomache the prices and the arrogance at the dealerships. I usually shop for value in my purchases and besides.....if the entire world drove the same vehicle things would get pretty darn boring.
As for my comments about Chrysler I feel strongly about that issue. The last three company cars I chose were Chryslers:
1995 Dodge Intrepid
1998 Dodge Caravan
2002 PT Cruiser
My company maintains a fleet of 225 company cars for engineers nationwide. Last year they discontinued the Chrysler options due to extensive repair costs. I actually liked all three vehicles but after breaking down countless times you get a bad taste in your mouth. At the same time my Brother in law has a late 90's caravan with 200,000 miles and has not lost a transmission so go figure??
'04 Sedona EX
#309 of 3798 Re: tired of minivan [allison5]
Feb 24, 2005 (11:19 pm)
"we are final stages of process of deciding on whether to get 05 Odyessy..."
I just drove my '05 Odyssey for 2 2-hr trips this week with no back issues. My friend--who can't set foot into a BMW without serious back problems--drove his '05 Odyssey from Philly to Montreal and back and said it was a pleasure. I suggest you find a way to take a very long or overnight test drive; I suspect the "back" issues you refer to are very particular to the driver.
My wife wanted Pilot (my sister is very happy with hers), but switched to Odyssey at last minute after seeing how much easier access was for our young children (Odyssey closer to ground, more room inside).
Very happy with my Odyssey.
#310 of 3798 Re: 6 passenger, driving in the snow, safety and economical...impossible? [sandy3]
Feb 24, 2005 (11:22 pm)
"i am a single mom of three who desparately needs to buy a car."
If you are willing to take a little more risk as to reliability and maintenance expense over a Honda or Toyota, a used Volvo V70 wagon w/optional rear seat can accomodate 2 kids 50-88 lbs in back rear-facing seat, in addition to 5 regular passenger seats. If you go for it, buy a good extended warranty.
#311 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [craigmri]
Feb 25, 2005 (7:54 am)
"Oh thats right, those vans dont need the warranty right? So why wouldnt they give it(the warranty) away since it wont cost them anything?"
Product marketing for expected sales is usually based strongly on customer perception of the product. If customers are not confident in the quality/reliability of a product, they will resist buying it unless there are attractive differentials like price and longer warranty - which serve as the carrot/bait for these customer segment.
#312 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [macakava]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 25, 2005 (8:05 am)
"For manufacturers, the fastest way to announce to the world that your brand is better is to lengthen the warranty. If everybody else is giving 90-day or one-year warranties, make yours three years."
Warranty As A Weapon (Warranty Week)
#313 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [steve_]
Feb 25, 2005 (9:16 am)
This the carrot/bait I was referring to.
If Honda/Toyota/Nissan can attract their intended customers because of their superior product, there is no need to offer the longer warranties of their less-regarded competitors. Hate to say it, there will always be that "el cheapo" customer segment that Honda/Toyota/Nissan would not
Again it comes down to the customer perception of the product and also the superior product performance.
#314 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [macakava]
Feb 25, 2005 (10:33 am)
"If Honda/Toyota/Nissan can attract their intended customers because of their superior product, there is no need to offer the longer warranties of their less-regarded competitors. Hate to say it, there will always be that "el cheapo" customer segment that Honda/Toyota/Nissan would not
Again it comes down to the customer perception of the product and also the superior product performance."
You have to wonder where some people get off making it look like if you don't buy a Honda or Toyota, your either a cheapskate, the van is nothing but a cheapo, or you don't have enough brains to buy the(superior product) put out by the Japanese.
Well I did like the discount I got buying my Dodge GC. I could have easily bought a Honda Odyssey or the Toyota Sienna and chose not to because of how I want to use my van. The Honda, Toyota did not fit in with how I wanted to use it.
While the Dodge van has had it share of problems, I can see that so has the Odyssey. Are there more people complaining about Chrysler vans? Sure are. But Chrysler also sells a heck of a lot more vans than Odyssey. As a matter of fact, they have out sold all the Japanese mini vans combined last year. Maybe you should add up all the complaints all the Japanese vans have had and see how that compares.
Did Honda come out with a better van this year? I think so. But it took a lot of copying from Chrysler before any of them did it. Is it all that much better? I don't think so. Not with all the complaints it's getting on this site.
Even with it new engine that shuts off three cylinders and five speed transmission, all developed to save gas, it is only rated one mpg city and two mpg highway, better than the Chrysler/Dodge that only has a four speed tranny and all the cylinders fire.
My van rides smoother and quieter than the Honda and their is no rattles in it. The front seats fit like a glove.
So don't keep coming out with that so superior talk as if the rest of us non Japanese buyers, are just plain cheap or that not smart enough attitude, to buy the same van you own because it is soooo much better.
#315 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [marine2]
Feb 25, 2005 (12:02 pm)
If you look at his posting history, concerning DC vans, all Macakava does is flame. We are all lost, and those that buy Ody's have "seen the light."
#316 of 3798 Save your carrots...
Feb 25, 2005 (12:26 pm)
...for the Easter Bunny. The article "Warranty
As A Weapon" says that the extended warranty is a statement by the seller that their products are free from defects and will remain so for the specified period of warranty. The perception is that the longer the warranty... the better quality of whatever you are buying is. This goes for cars as well as furniture or appliances.So, using this logic the Kia Sedona would be of the best quality and reliability...and the Honda Ody the worst.
#317 of 3798 Re: Save your carrots... [jipster]
Feb 25, 2005 (1:55 pm)
"So, using this logic the Kia Sedona would be of the best quality and reliability...and the Honda Ody the worst."
Exactly. I don't know who wrote that article, but the fact is, products with quality problems often offer an EW to persuade prospective buyers to "take a chance." Having a longer warranty means the opposite of having better quality. A number of people have posted on these boards that BECAUSE of Honda/Toyota's rep for quality they will NOT bother with an EW because they think they won't need it. If enough people feel that way, Honda/Toyota has no real financial incentive to increase the length of basic warranties or push EWs. The swwet spot is to buy a brand when it has just reached a high-quality level but still offers a very good warranty because of past problems. Best of both worlds.