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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#303 of 3798 Re: tired of minivan [allison5]
Feb 24, 2005 (9:19 am)
Hansienna has strong opinions for the Ody and against the Kia, but doesn't own either one. His opinons, and he is well entitled to them, probably formed the same way I did...combo of experience and research. I finally bought a Kia after weighing all options. We are very happy with it and have had few problems. We have a 2003 EX with 35k miles on it. If we had anything else, the warantee would be expiring next month...right now, we still have a couple more years, or 65k miles on the bumper to bumper...reduced maint costs.
I liked the Ody and shopped for one for almost a year, talking to a couple of employees who owned one, and driving one for a weekend. We did the same with all makes/models. I can't say anything about the new Sienna, though, because I haven't driven one. Have extensive experience with the T&C, the Windstar (not Freestar), the Ody, and the Mazda since relatives have owned/operated them and we talk cars a lot.
In Northern VA, the Honda dealers were pretty arrogant, and demanded above MSRP. Dealer service departments were also higher cost than other dealers. Looking at the big picture, we decided not to go with Honda. I saved a little over $6k off MSRP, or $7k over best price offered by Honda for the same equipment on a Kia. Honda may be a little more flexible now that there is more competition...I'm starting to see a little more conversation on that on the Honda boards. Honda has had quite a few posts on the electric doors and transmissions, too. Each van model seems to have its own quirks. Generally, those that use automobile transmissions to carry the weight seem to have more problems.
Weight is both a drawback and a benefit for the Kia Sedona. It handles well, drives well in poor conditions, and has a great crash rating due to the mass. It's gas mileage isn't great, but I get fairly close to Hansienna's posted mileage with mine unless I'm doing all stop/go driving. We average 16-17 city, 25-26 highway...might go up a notch or two if I didn't have a lead foot (a known jet aviator bad habit.
Good luck with your choices. Right now, if I was fence sitting, I might try to hold out for the 2006 Kia in Sept. It is longer, and has about 100% of what options you can get on a van today. Drive comparably equipped models from all the majors and decide what you want.
Hansienna is right regarding room. The interior room is smaller in the Kia. Not cramped, but a little more like a Villager inside than an Ody or T&C. We haul 2 teens and 2 dogs in it routinely, but usually take out 1 of the buckets (behind driver)to haul dogfood sacks and potting soil, etc. Still have a 6 pax vehicle that way and room behind the seat and where the other seat was.
Best Wishes and good luck!
#304 of 3798 Re: tired of minivan [navyair]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 24, 2005 (10:18 am)
In Northern VA, the Honda dealers were pretty arrogant
My sister lives in Northern VA; it's not just Honda dealers that are problematic up there. Her VW dealer has gotten better; I think so many people called VW about them to complain that they cleaned up their act some.
#305 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [hansienna]
Feb 24, 2005 (3:56 pm)
Hans has made it clear he's a Kia basher. Hans Your statement or attempt at levity suggesting people invest in oil companies if they buy a Sedona is really rediculous. First off, most Oddessy owners are reporting significantly lower MPG than EPA estimates(see the minivan gas mileage thread). So lets assume for a minute they do actually get 28 MPG and the Sedona gets 22(we do better with ours on the highway), Hypothetically you drive 12,500 miles a year at the MPG the sticker states. The Sedona will use only $244 a year more in fuel(based on $2/gal). For the 7 or 8 grand I saved I can buy alot of gas. And in 9 years from now guess what? My vehicle will still have powertrain coverage(assuming I'm below 100,000 miles)...how about the Honda? Toyota? Mazda? Ford? Oh thats right, those vans dont need the warranty right? So why wouldnt they give it(the warranty) away since it wont cost them anything?
Hey I'll be the first to admit the Kia isnt the best on the market. Its just the best value on the market.
'04 Sedona EX
#306 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [craigmri]
Feb 24, 2005 (5:32 pm)
Nahhh, I didn't think Hans was being a "Kia basher". Just using a little humor in pointing out the differences between the Kia Sedona and the Ody. I think a lot of minivan owners wish they had better mpg. At least the ones that post on Edmunds do.As long as my mpg is within a reasonable range...I could care less.That's low on my priority list on what I want in a minivan(mpg). Other people though have it high on their list.Some people perfer the peace of mind that comes with the longer warranty Kia offers.Whatever floats your canoe.
#307 of 3798 Re: using a little humor [jipster]
Feb 24, 2005 (6:09 pm)
THANKS for the accurate clarification.
BTW, when KIA Sedona owners trash Chrysler, I feel it appropriate to counter with another view highlighting the achilles heel of the Sedona.
Each minivan has advantages and disadvantages. I test drove a 2002 Kia Sedona shortly after it was released and was quite favorable impressed with the overall package although the interior seemed on the small side. The driver and front passenger seating were very comfortable and it had a smooth, quiet ride with satisfactory performance from the 3.5L V6 (and I believe a 5 speed AT).
It did not have the power or interior space of the 2002 Odyssey EX that I test drove but the price was also thousands less. If initial cost is crucial, the KIA Sedona would be a good choice.
I felt that the KIA Sedona was comparable in price, performance, and interior volume to the Caravan or Voyager with the 3.3L V6 in 2002 and feel the same would be true for 2005 comparing a KIA Sedona to a Caravan or SWB T&C. However, the DC minivans have a much higher EPA fuel rating at 19 City and 26 Highway. Neither DC nor Sedona retain the high percentage of resale value of the Odyssey or Sienna.
#308 of 3798 Re: using a little humor [hansienna]
Feb 24, 2005 (7:15 pm)
I respect everything you said in that last post. If money was no object for me I too would buy the Honda. They and Toyota are leading the world in quality standards right now. I just cant stomache the prices and the arrogance at the dealerships. I usually shop for value in my purchases and besides.....if the entire world drove the same vehicle things would get pretty darn boring.
As for my comments about Chrysler I feel strongly about that issue. The last three company cars I chose were Chryslers:
1995 Dodge Intrepid
1998 Dodge Caravan
2002 PT Cruiser
My company maintains a fleet of 225 company cars for engineers nationwide. Last year they discontinued the Chrysler options due to extensive repair costs. I actually liked all three vehicles but after breaking down countless times you get a bad taste in your mouth. At the same time my Brother in law has a late 90's caravan with 200,000 miles and has not lost a transmission so go figure??
'04 Sedona EX
#309 of 3798 Re: tired of minivan [allison5]
Feb 24, 2005 (11:19 pm)
"we are final stages of process of deciding on whether to get 05 Odyessy..."
I just drove my '05 Odyssey for 2 2-hr trips this week with no back issues. My friend--who can't set foot into a BMW without serious back problems--drove his '05 Odyssey from Philly to Montreal and back and said it was a pleasure. I suggest you find a way to take a very long or overnight test drive; I suspect the "back" issues you refer to are very particular to the driver.
My wife wanted Pilot (my sister is very happy with hers), but switched to Odyssey at last minute after seeing how much easier access was for our young children (Odyssey closer to ground, more room inside).
Very happy with my Odyssey.
#310 of 3798 Re: 6 passenger, driving in the snow, safety and economical...impossible? [sandy3]
Feb 24, 2005 (11:22 pm)
"i am a single mom of three who desparately needs to buy a car."
If you are willing to take a little more risk as to reliability and maintenance expense over a Honda or Toyota, a used Volvo V70 wagon w/optional rear seat can accomodate 2 kids 50-88 lbs in back rear-facing seat, in addition to 5 regular passenger seats. If you go for it, buy a good extended warranty.
#311 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [craigmri]
Feb 25, 2005 (7:54 am)
"Oh thats right, those vans dont need the warranty right? So why wouldnt they give it(the warranty) away since it wont cost them anything?"
Product marketing for expected sales is usually based strongly on customer perception of the product. If customers are not confident in the quality/reliability of a product, they will resist buying it unless there are attractive differentials like price and longer warranty - which serve as the carrot/bait for these customer segment.
#312 of 3798 Re: Buy the Sedona if you own stock in a BIG OIL Company [macakava]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 25, 2005 (8:05 am)
"For manufacturers, the fastest way to announce to the world that your brand is better is to lengthen the warranty. If everybody else is giving 90-day or one-year warranties, make yours three years."
Warranty As A Weapon (Warranty Week)