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You are in the Vans & Minivans
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#2808 of 3798 Re: DOES anyone have the most recent sales numbers? [hansienna]
Nov 15, 2006 (5:33 pm)
We all know the Caravan/Grand Caravan is THE MOST POPULAR, BEST SELLING minivan, ONLY PURCHASED BY MILLIONAIRE GENIUSES. Which minivans are # 2, 3, and 4?
What time period? For 1/6 - 6/6
Dodge Caravan/Grand Carvan - 103,876
Honda Odyssey - 72,941
Chrysler Town & Country - 68,943
Toyota Sienna - 67,404
Chrysler Pacifica - 35,952
Ford Freestar - 29,569
Ford Freestyle - 28,634
Kia Sedona - 26,215
Chevrolet Uplander - 25,610
Nissan Quest - 12,186
Mercedes-Benz R-Class - 8,227
Mazda5 - 7,806
Mazda MPV - 5,939
Buick Terraza - 5,339
Mercury Monterrey - 1,811
Hyundai Entourage - 1,194 (went on sale May 2006)
- Dodge is still #1
- Dodge + Chrysler > Honda + Toyota
- Dodge Caravan + Town & Country + Pacifica > Honda + Toyota + Ford
- Pacifica + Freestyle (large crossovers) together are within 3,000 units of Honda. We all know the Caravan/Grand Caravan is THE MOST POPULAR, BEST SELLING minivan.
Which minivans are # 2, 3, and 4?
#2809 of 3798 Re: Minivan + Crossover sales [garandman]
Nov 15, 2006 (9:50 pm)
THANKS for the numbers.
Looks like GM is the BIGGEST LOSER while Honda and Toyota minivan sales increased significantly after they made the Odyssey and Sienna the same size as the long time sales leading Grand Caravan.
#2810 of 3798 New Minivan Comparo
Nov 16, 2006 (8:45 am)
They did another one. Honda wins. Though it seems the margin has a lot to do with the editors subjective feelings, if you read the scoring. Kia actually won in performance and destroyed them all on price. I was impressed that they had best braking. The age of the DCX products is showing - they are a good value but lack lots of features that everyone else has. The new design will very welcomed. Sienna also will welcome the bigger engine out soon. I think the Sedona/Entourage are a great value now. Almost bought a loaded Sedona last week that was being driven by the owner's wife (3K miles) but dealer didn't think he should go down more than a few hundred below invoice. They had 0% which was key. There are basicaly no loaded Sedonas left, and the 07's aren't out yet. We may look at the Entourage soon f they increase incentives. Our 04 T&C runs perfectly fine, one minor issue in almost 3 years (front sway bar) but I am starting to think that we should get the airbags, stability control, etc
#2811 of 3798 I need 2nd row windows to roll down - '01 T&C?
Nov 16, 2006 (10:09 am)
Hi, We just purchased a 2001 Chrysler Town and Country Limited. I love it and got all the features I wanted. The problem is I didn't realize my son would get really (what's the word... well he freaks out that he can't get air and really wants the windows down. I feel for him. Problem is we're really tight on money and got this van at an amazing price. Is there anyway to get windows put into this van that will row down in the second row, even if I have to pay a couple thousand or get new doors - I'd do it. I really don't want to turn around and deal with selling it and getting something else but if I HAVE to then what other used minivans will have the 2nd row windows roll down - it would have to be used - can't afford new. Thanks!
#2812 of 3798 Re: I need 2nd row windows to roll down - '01 T&C? [edgecomb]
Nov 16, 2006 (11:10 am)
I don't know about getting roll-down windows installed, but if I remember correctly, the 2000-current Mazda MPV has power windows in the second rows, as does the 2004 Sienna (the Toyota will be a good deal more expensive than the Mazda).
Maybe the MPV would work for you? A 2001 MPV LX (mid-level trim), with 70,000 miles, and in good condition, should be between $7,000 and $8,000.
#2813 of 3798 Sales numbers for 2005
Nov 16, 2006 (3:55 pm)
The local newspaper had an article written for the San Antonio Express-News on the new Nissan Quest that also had sales numbers for 2005. The numbers quoted were:
Caravan/GC/T&C combined: 407,570
Honda Odyssey 174,275
Toyota Sienna 161,380
Nissan Quest 40,357
Interesting that the combined DaimlerChrysler minivan sales were 31,558 MORE than combined Odyssey, Sienna, and Quest.
True, DaimlerChrysler does not have the monopoly on minivan sales it held for decades but the DC minivans are still the MOST WANTED by more people than the combined sales of the 2 closest competitors.
#2814 of 3798 Re: I need 2nd row windows to roll down - '01 T&C? [thegraduate]
Nov 16, 2006 (4:14 pm)
My 2006 Sienna LE has 2nd row windows that roll down (but NOT as far down as the Odyssey windows go).
The downside of roll down 2nd row windows is the noise from air turbulence at highway speeds. These roll down windows are NOT flush with the side of the van like the rear windows of the DaimlerChrysler minivans and are a source or road noise...down or up.
IF you never sit in the 2nd or 3rd row, the noise would not bother you.
#2815 of 3798 Re: I need 2nd row windows to roll down - '01 T&C? [hansienna]
Nov 16, 2006 (7:01 pm)
Well, I first thought of the Sienna, but I know he/she is on a budget, and I was afraid that a 2004 or newer Sienna would cost too much.
Do you know of any more vans older than Sienna that have roll-down sliding door windows?
#2816 of 3798 Re: I need 2nd row windows to roll down - '01 T&C? [thegraduate]
Nov 16, 2006 (8:56 pm)
The only thing that I know of is the 2000 and newer Mazda MPV, which might be available at a price similar to the Town and Country.
#2817 of 3798 Re: New Minivan Comparo [mrblonde49]
Nov 16, 2006 (10:48 pm)
Just another love fest with the over-hyped Honda Odyssey where problems are swept under the rug and glaring lack of features are ignored.
Why can't Edmunds and CR quote the actual price of each vehicle they test instead of MSRP? Why did they test an AWD 2006 Sienna Limited and then write that it was too expensive? Why didn't they mention the lack of fold into the floor 2nd row seats of the beloved Odyssey, Sedona, and Sienna?
When they weigh subjective areas very heavily, they can distort the entire conclusions to fit the biased, pre-conceived decision.
I was duped by the Edmunds test report of the 2004 Sienna and now own an inferior minivan that is NOT as enjoyable as was my 2002 T&C LX.
After the glowing reports about the Odyssey, I considered buying one until I recently saw my nephew's 2005 Odyssey EX (cloth) and was appalled at the grimy, unsightly front door armrests made of cloth. My 4 year old T&C LX front door armrests never looked as ugly as those of the 2005 Odyssey EX (cloth).