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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
May 12, 2006 (4:24 pm)
The Caravan will have roll down electric windows in the sliding doors. It is boxy and has an angular look. Production date is August 2007 and it should be arriving at dealers by September 2007.
Perhaps the most important features of this minivan are said to be:
Higher quality due to the team-based manufacturing and other new systems
Better gas mileage
The identifier for the new minis is RT, but that's not R/T (Road and Track); it's just RS moved up one letter. (RS is the current model identifier).
Confirmed: a 4.0 liter V6 or a new 3.8 liter V6 for minivans and Pacificas. The 4.0 is 255 hp with about 265 lb-ft of torque. It’s not tuned for “paper racing” (that is, with an inflated horsepower rating), but apparently has a nice torque curve and gas mileage similar to the 2004 215 hp / 245 lb-ft 3.8 liter V6 (which was rated 18 city, 25 highway, only 1 mpg less than the 3.3). (“hawida” noted that the 3.8 had been changed to 205 hp, 240 lb-ft for 2006, possibly due to new measurement rules by SAE.)
The new manumatic transmission is not in the cards for the minivan. That would be a killer, providing best in class mileage and acceleration (we believe) even with current engines, but it would be too expensive for this application; it might be used in trucks, or in performance cars, or not at all. Instead, a six-speed version of the current four-speed automatic is being set up in Kokomo for 2006 model year production - the 62TE. This transmission will almost certainly require Chrysler’s special synthetic transmission fluid, but should be more reliable than current automatics, thanks partly to Chrysler’s new endurance standards.
We expect a built in diaper changing station to be added - and we can say that would have been a welcome feature in our own lives! Also expected are rear windows that roll down, and much larger tail-lights. We really hope they will return the windshield wiper de-icers, a very useful feature that was deleted in a cost-cutting binge.
Just thought you might want to add that the RT will have coil springs in the rear.”
Many hope that the loss of windshield-wiper de-icers and backlighting for the headlight switch panel and door switches, due to past cost-cutting binges, will be rectified.
We have been told that the Kahuna will not take over as the standard minivan design, in what may well have been an Airflow disaster. Instead, we expect a single wheelbase model around the size of the current Grand Caravan with traditional styling, and a short-wheelbase version with that radical Kahuna styling. It's possible the switch from Kahuna styling to conventional styling is what caused the year-or-so delay in introducing new minivans! (But then again, with new transmissions and engines, and a switch to flexible manufacturing and possibly an independent rear suspension, and team-based manufacturing...it’s possible it just takes a while to do everything right. And we suspect Chrysler does not want to repeat the early-1990s “let’s send all our customers away” quality glitches.)
Export versions already have a new diesel engine, with an optional automatic. The new 2.8 CRD engine delivers 110 Kw (150 bhp) of power at 3,800 rpm and best-in-class torque figures of 360 Nm (266 lb.-ft.) at a low 2,100 rpm. Chrysler engineers paid particular attention to "launchability," the rapid take off from standstill. The accelerator pedal also features a kickdown detent that allows the driver to actively control the downshift of the transmission and the vehicle's acceleration at higher speed (a feature known to TorqueFlite users).
The Voyager is already gone, and we don't expect a return except perhaps in the highly unlikely event that Plymouth returns. Instead, Voyagers are badged Town & Country. We have no word on whether the Chrysler version of the Caravan will be a “true Chrysler,” that is, an actual upmarket version rather than an obviously restyled and slightly retuned Dodge.
DCX is thinking of having no more short Caravans and staying with Grand Caravans only.
May 12, 2006 (8:26 pm)
I am in the market for a decent used minivan. The budget is between 15K and 18K, and if possible, I would like to buy either Odyseey or Sienna. What year or trim can I buy with that money? Thanks.
May 15, 2006 (11:10 am)
A user in the Sienna message board claims that he spotted an 07 Sienna in person at the dealer. The 07 XLE model he saw had the 268 3.5L V6 mated to a 6 speed automatic transmission (he stated the sticker had the EPA ratings at 21city/28highway). Wow. This sure sounds pretty good (best in-class HP and MPG)...
Can anyone confirm this? Maybe I should have waitied to buy the Odyssey, but I thought the 07's would not be out till late this year to early next year.... Are these already on sale? I can find nothing on Toyota's website...
#2291 of 3798 Re: used minivan? [ansatzjp]
May 15, 2006 (11:32 am)
What features are you looking for? This definitely affects price. You can get a newer (04) base model Sienna/Ody for this price, or a more loaded 02-03 model. For around 18K you should be able to find either an 02-04 Sienna LE/XLE or an 02-03 Honda a Odyssey EX/EX-L (for about 18K you should be able to also find an O4 Odyssey LX).
The used Sienna should be slightly cheaper than the used Odyssey (Odyssey's tend to have higher resale).
I suggest you drive an 03 Honda and an 03 Toyota to see which you like better. FYI, Honda seems to have quite a few transmission problems with the second generation Odyssey. You may want to look at getting a certified one that has a decent powertrain warranty..
#2292 of 3798 Re: used minivan? [ansatzjp]
May 16, 2006 (2:42 pm)
You can definitely get a 2002-2004 Odyssey, perhaps an EX-L NAVI model if you get a 2002.
04 LX Odysseys are in the $18K range I believe, as are 04 Sienna CEs/LEs.
#2293 of 3798 Re: Confirmation? [dc_driver]
May 16, 2006 (2:43 pm)
I doubt Toyota is currently producing the 07 model Siennas right now, but I may be wrong.
#2294 of 3798 Re: Confirmation? [jchan2]
May 16, 2006 (4:24 pm)
Your right.. Looks like a Toyota dealer accidently put a Camry sticker on a Sienna and the individual was confused..
Still, I would not be surprised if the 07 Camry has the 3.5L engine with the 6 speed automatic tranny..
#2295 of 3798 Re: Confirmation? [dc_driver]
May 16, 2006 (7:31 pm)
YES, it looks like the data is for the 07 Camry and NOT the 07 Sienna. The 07 Sienna will probably get the same powertrain.
The Toyota brochure gives data for the 07 Camry: 3.5L DOHC 24 valve VVT-i V6 268 HP, 248 lb-ft torque with 6 speed electonically controlled automatic overdrive trasmission with intelligence (ECT-i).
How will Honda respond with power for the 2007 Odyssey?
#2296 of 3798 Re: Confirmation? [hansienna]
May 16, 2006 (7:34 pm)
I doubt if anything changes for 2007, but a mid-model refresh is due for the 2008 model year, and you'll likely see a 10 hp bump in power then.
All speculation; don't set your watch by my words!
#2297 of 3798 Re: Confirmation? [thegraduate]
May 17, 2006 (5:40 am)
I agree with you, although there is talk of Honda upgrading the transmission in the 07 model to the same as the Pilot/Ridgeline.
Honestly, I think the Odyssey has plenty of power as it stands. I would rather see Honda offer more standard features without raising the price of the van (ala Hyundai/Kia). Personally, I would like to see the EX/EX-L gain: tire pressure monitoring system, better trip computer, powered rear liftgate, rear backup sensors.
The Touring could get: make the PAX optional, add bluetooth support, telescoping steering wheel, improved stereo.
I would also like to see Honda upgrade the head restraints in the third row so they can receive a better score on the rear impact IIHS test (ala Hyundai/Kia).