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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#205 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [bluedevils]
Nov 24, 2004 (6:23 pm)
Well, for being long in the tooth...the pre 2004 Sienna's were rated amoung the best...just behind the Odyssey. I do know the resale value was pretty high on all the 2001 and 2002 models we looked at.For what we would have spent on a comparable 2002 Sienna...we got a brand new 2004 Mazda MPV for just a little over a grand more. Sure,first year redesigns generally do much better than its predecessor.But, usually not 90% better.The 2004 Sienna barely nudged out the "long in the tooth" design of the 1999-2004 Odyssey in Consumer Reports top minivan rating of 2004 models. It will be interesting to see what Siennas sales do this year with the new and improved Odyssey out.
#206 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [jipster]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:04 am)
What about the 16.7 % DECREASE in sales for the Mazda MPV?
Chrysler T&C with Stow-N-Go sales are up 3.3% this year over last...and Chrysler now sells almost 5 times as many T&C as Mazda sells MPV. Caravan sales are almost 10 times as much as MPV.
Would you prefer to get paid $310,563 a year or $21,834? That is the ratio of DC minivan sales compared to the Mazda MPV so far this year.
BTW, the Sienna sales are up 73.5 % and not the 90 % stated in posts # 202 and 205 ( 135,728 this year vs 78,231 last year = increase of 57,497...see link Steve provided).
#207 of 3798 Re: Interesting to see Sienna sales this year vs last with new Ody[jipster]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:18 am)
Sienna sales are DOWN 129 units Oct 2004 vs Oct 2003. (drop from 12,440 to 12,311)
Odyssey sales are UP 1641 units Oct 2004 vs Oct 2003 (increase from 10,962 to 12,603).
The Odyssey is once again outselling the Sienna.
#208 of 3798 Re: Interesting to see Sienna sales this year vs last with new Ody[jipster] [hansienna]
Nov 25, 2004 (7:12 pm)
WOW... the Sienna is a whole 129 units down for October. I bet the execs at Toyota are about ready to jump out the window.Considering the 2005 Odyssey is a total redesign and Oct 2003 is when the 2004 Sienna was new to the market...I would think Toyota is pretty happy with their numbers.
#209 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [hansienna]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:00 pm)
The 16.7% decrease in MPV sales are for the United States market. Worldwide(and North American)sales are up.The MPV sells really well in Japan and Canada.The link is in one of these boards somewhere...I couldn't locate it. You didn't have it pulled did ya Hans?? The Chrysler T&C didn't have Stow-N-Go last year.Chrysler is disappointed in the 3.3% considering all they have spent in advertising with the stow-n-going-going-gone.Again, we all know that Chrysler sells more than all other automotive companies combined...that is why they are the best.The recent article I read in the business section of a newpaper I subscribe to noted the Sienna to have sales increase of around 90%.Without this huge increase..overall minivan sales would have fallen.Ate to much Thanksgiving Day turkey...goodnight all.
#210 of 3798 Why not just click onto the link Steve provided to get sales numbers?
Nov 26, 2004 (8:55 am)
Autosite would be more reliable than the business section of a newspaper. Here is the link for your convenience:
Toyota Sienna sales may have been up 90 % for one time period but not for calendar year 2004 nor for the month of October 2004 vs 2003.
#211 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [jipster]
Nov 30, 2004 (8:34 pm)
Great point about the overall minivan sales jipster. I knew the minivan market had dropped over the past 5 years...at a faster rate then car sales. I didn't know it was the Sienna that saved it.
#212 of 3798 3 children across single seat
Dec 15, 2004 (11:07 pm)
I am writing to ask about putting 3 child seats across a bench seat in the second row of a minivan. I don't want to stuff them into the aft end of a vehicle (seem too far away, not sure about how "safe" this would be in a crash...outside the safety cell?)
As I understand it, my <new> options are limited to Odyssey or Sienna. What about a non-stow and go Grand Caravan just prior to the recent freshening (2001-2004? Did they offer this as a factory option? Could I swap the position of the 3rd row seat and the captains chairs?
Just looked at a 2001 Montana with 8 passenger seating, but it felt floaty and had terrible brakes (plus was filled with squeaks).
Thanks for any thoughts on the matter
#213 of 3798 Re: 3 children across single seat [easles]
Dec 16, 2004 (8:49 am)
From what I understand from reading post here at Edmunds, both the Sienna and Ody have second row seating for three. But I'm not so sure that you would be able to fit three car seats in a row. One thing you can do is when you go out shopping, take the three car seats with you and see how they fit. As far as the GC, the stow n go was introduced in the 2005 model year. We have a 2001 GC to which we can remove the two captain chairs from the second row to place the 50/50 split third row beach. Not sure if it will fit three car seats though.
#214 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [dtownfb]
Dec 17, 2004 (8:21 am)
The the volume of sales depends on the production line capacity. My guess as more and more Sienna being rolled out the line at Indianna, we will see huge increase of sales. I wonder if the North American production line also supplies internation market. I know that the international market has more minivans models of the same brand to choose from. The size of the Sienna and Ody make it hard to drive around on the narrower streets outside of USA. They're both mainly built for the N. America market.