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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#202 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [hansienna]
Nov 24, 2004 (7:25 am)
That link was only for sales volume Hans...sales volume. Yes...your wonderful Chrysler Inc. is leading in total sales...everybody knows that as you mention it in just about every one of your posts. But, percentage increase in sales from previous years is stagnant on the Chrysler line.As well as most other lines for most of 2004.(The Edmunds link I read from reported Mazda MPV sales have increased this year) Chrysler sales are up barely a half a percentage point over the previous year. While Toyota Siennas are up around 90% from the previous year. Toyota Sienna sales for 2003 YTD 78,000 and for 2004 138,000. Now...would you rather have a 90% increase in sales OR would you like to have a 1% increase in sales? Honda is likely to see a similar increases with their 2005 Odyssey. That was my point.By the way...how's the 2005 Town & Country with stow and go, going? Also, I would think the Nissan Quest would have the highest in sales percentage increase this year...as there was no 2003 model.The Quest is falling horribly short of Nissans sales goals for 2004.
#203 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [jipster]
Nov 24, 2004 (8:39 am)
Every time I see a new Quest I try to like it but come away disliking it. Its a dynamic departure from the conventional minivan design of today and even though most people who dont like minivans but need a minivan say they want something different, I feel when it comes down to it people want a minivan to look like a minivan if that makes any sense.
I always felt that being different for the sake of being different isnt a good move. Cadillac's new squared off designs do not appeal to me either. I consider Cadillac's to be in this same catagory. Gee, when I could buy a stylish and quality Lexus, Infiniti, BMW or Jaguar I wanna be different and buy this angular squared off cheezy plastic grilled American Car. There was a day(probably 50's and 60's) when Cadillac ruled the world. A shame.
'04 Sedona EX
#204 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [jipster]
Nov 24, 2004 (12:29 pm)
Sure, Sienna sales are up huge vs. last year. But you should acknowledge that is due in part to Toyota having a long-in-the-tooth former model that, from what I recall, wasn't selling all that well especially in light of the engine sludge fears.
It's not like Toyota did a minor refreshing of Sienna for MY 2004 and STILL saw a 90% increase.
#205 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [bluedevils]
Nov 24, 2004 (6:23 pm)
Well, for being long in the tooth...the pre 2004 Sienna's were rated amoung the best...just behind the Odyssey. I do know the resale value was pretty high on all the 2001 and 2002 models we looked at.For what we would have spent on a comparable 2002 Sienna...we got a brand new 2004 Mazda MPV for just a little over a grand more. Sure,first year redesigns generally do much better than its predecessor.But, usually not 90% better.The 2004 Sienna barely nudged out the "long in the tooth" design of the 1999-2004 Odyssey in Consumer Reports top minivan rating of 2004 models. It will be interesting to see what Siennas sales do this year with the new and improved Odyssey out.
#206 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [jipster]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:04 am)
What about the 16.7 % DECREASE in sales for the Mazda MPV?
Chrysler T&C with Stow-N-Go sales are up 3.3% this year over last...and Chrysler now sells almost 5 times as many T&C as Mazda sells MPV. Caravan sales are almost 10 times as much as MPV.
Would you prefer to get paid $310,563 a year or $21,834? That is the ratio of DC minivan sales compared to the Mazda MPV so far this year.
BTW, the Sienna sales are up 73.5 % and not the 90 % stated in posts # 202 and 205 ( 135,728 this year vs 78,231 last year = increase of 57,497...see link Steve provided).
#207 of 3798 Re: Interesting to see Sienna sales this year vs last with new Ody[jipster]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:18 am)
Sienna sales are DOWN 129 units Oct 2004 vs Oct 2003. (drop from 12,440 to 12,311)
Odyssey sales are UP 1641 units Oct 2004 vs Oct 2003 (increase from 10,962 to 12,603).
The Odyssey is once again outselling the Sienna.
#208 of 3798 Re: Interesting to see Sienna sales this year vs last with new Ody[jipster] [hansienna]
Nov 25, 2004 (7:12 pm)
WOW... the Sienna is a whole 129 units down for October. I bet the execs at Toyota are about ready to jump out the window.Considering the 2005 Odyssey is a total redesign and Oct 2003 is when the 2004 Sienna was new to the market...I would think Toyota is pretty happy with their numbers.
#209 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [hansienna]
Nov 25, 2004 (8:00 pm)
The 16.7% decrease in MPV sales are for the United States market. Worldwide(and North American)sales are up.The MPV sells really well in Japan and Canada.The link is in one of these boards somewhere...I couldn't locate it. You didn't have it pulled did ya Hans?? The Chrysler T&C didn't have Stow-N-Go last year.Chrysler is disappointed in the 3.3% considering all they have spent in advertising with the stow-n-going-going-gone.Again, we all know that Chrysler sells more than all other automotive companies combined...that is why they are the best.The recent article I read in the business section of a newpaper I subscribe to noted the Sienna to have sales increase of around 90%.Without this huge increase..overall minivan sales would have fallen.Ate to much Thanksgiving Day turkey...goodnight all.
#210 of 3798 Why not just click onto the link Steve provided to get sales numbers?
Nov 26, 2004 (8:55 am)
Autosite would be more reliable than the business section of a newspaper. Here is the link for your convenience:
Toyota Sienna sales may have been up 90 % for one time period but not for calendar year 2004 nor for the month of October 2004 vs 2003.
#211 of 3798 Re: 90% increase or 1 % increase in sales ? (posting # 202) [jipster]
Nov 30, 2004 (8:34 pm)
Great point about the overall minivan sales jipster. I knew the minivan market had dropped over the past 5 years...at a faster rate then car sales. I didn't know it was the Sienna that saved it.