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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#196 of 3798 Re: [badgerfan]
Nov 22, 2004 (2:07 pm)
Wow! I'm suprised about the numbers. In my area of Florida I see tons of Sedona's(possibly because I'm looking for them?) yet the figures show Honda and toyota sell more than twice as many(each). This suprises me a little. Not because I feel the Sedona is better(I know its not) rather because its such a rediculously good value. From 2003 to 2004 the Sedona numbers are up a large percentage even though the van is unchanged so I suspect people are beginning to become a little more comfortable with Kia/Hyundai.
'04 Sedona EX
Nov 22, 2004 (4:12 pm)
Do the figures include any model years sold during the months listed? I.e., the figures include both 2004 and 2005 model year vehicles?
Surprising to see Kia Sedona up 25% vs. last year. Right now, they are selling 3- (MY 2004) and 4-model year old (MY 2005) vans that lack some key features in this class. I think Kia has made some inroads in the minivan market. Granted, they aren't doing it without rebates, but most of the minivan players, save Ody and Sienna, are doing rebates - and some makes, notably Ford and GM - are forced to throw HUGE rebates to entice buyers.
Sedona easily outsold Quest year to date, nearly double Pontiac's Montana, and easily doubled MPV.
What seems most interesting is that many minivan models have seen declining sales this year vs. last, including Windstar, Montana, Venture, MPV, and even Odyssey. Sedona and Sienna are among the relatively few models to see increased 2004 sales.
#198 of 3798 Re: Sales volumes [bluedevils]
Nov 22, 2004 (5:30 pm)
Right... total sales is only one piece of the pie. One must also factor in sales goals and increases in sales from previous months and quarters. From what I understand the Mazda MPV has increased sales this year by double digits over last year....as overall Mazda sales are doing really well. Mazda has just raised their rebates on the o4' MPV's to $4,250. Toyota carried the minivan market last year. Looks like Toyota and Honda will carry it again this year.
Nov 22, 2004 (6:20 pm)
I can't help but wonder who the two Eurovan buyers were last month.
#200 of 3798 Re: Sales volumes [bluedevils]
Nov 23, 2004 (6:04 am)
Those Autosite sales data are calendar year sales, so include some 2004 and some 2005 model year.
#201 of 3798 DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN
Nov 23, 2004 (10:34 am)
MPV sales down for both October 2004 and YTD. Same with Windstar and Venture.
ONLY Caravan, T&C, and Sedona have INCREASED for both October 2004 and YTD.
Sienna and Quest are up for YTD only while Odyssey is up in October only. Odyssey drop for YTD is probably due to loss of production while changing from 2004 to 2005 model.
The Quest is the BIGGEST winner in sales percentage increase for the year...but DaimlerChrysler still outsells Toyota and Honda combined.
How can anyone think Toyota and Honda are carrying the minivan market after reading the link Steve provided?
#202 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [hansienna]
Nov 24, 2004 (7:25 am)
That link was only for sales volume Hans...sales volume. Yes...your wonderful Chrysler Inc. is leading in total sales...everybody knows that as you mention it in just about every one of your posts. But, percentage increase in sales from previous years is stagnant on the Chrysler line.As well as most other lines for most of 2004.(The Edmunds link I read from reported Mazda MPV sales have increased this year) Chrysler sales are up barely a half a percentage point over the previous year. While Toyota Siennas are up around 90% from the previous year. Toyota Sienna sales for 2003 YTD 78,000 and for 2004 138,000. Now...would you rather have a 90% increase in sales OR would you like to have a 1% increase in sales? Honda is likely to see a similar increases with their 2005 Odyssey. That was my point.By the way...how's the 2005 Town & Country with stow and go, going? Also, I would think the Nissan Quest would have the highest in sales percentage increase this year...as there was no 2003 model.The Quest is falling horribly short of Nissans sales goals for 2004.
#203 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [jipster]
Nov 24, 2004 (8:39 am)
Every time I see a new Quest I try to like it but come away disliking it. Its a dynamic departure from the conventional minivan design of today and even though most people who dont like minivans but need a minivan say they want something different, I feel when it comes down to it people want a minivan to look like a minivan if that makes any sense.
I always felt that being different for the sake of being different isnt a good move. Cadillac's new squared off designs do not appeal to me either. I consider Cadillac's to be in this same catagory. Gee, when I could buy a stylish and quality Lexus, Infiniti, BMW or Jaguar I wanna be different and buy this angular squared off cheezy plastic grilled American Car. There was a day(probably 50's and 60's) when Cadillac ruled the world. A shame.
'04 Sedona EX
#204 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [jipster]
Nov 24, 2004 (12:29 pm)
Sure, Sienna sales are up huge vs. last year. But you should acknowledge that is due in part to Toyota having a long-in-the-tooth former model that, from what I recall, wasn't selling all that well especially in light of the engine sludge fears.
It's not like Toyota did a minor refreshing of Sienna for MY 2004 and STILL saw a 90% increase.
#205 of 3798 Re: DaimlerChrysler is carrying the minivan market....AGAIN [bluedevils]
Nov 24, 2004 (6:23 pm)
Well, for being long in the tooth...the pre 2004 Sienna's were rated amoung the best...just behind the Odyssey. I do know the resale value was pretty high on all the 2001 and 2002 models we looked at.For what we would have spent on a comparable 2002 Sienna...we got a brand new 2004 Mazda MPV for just a little over a grand more. Sure,first year redesigns generally do much better than its predecessor.But, usually not 90% better.The 2004 Sienna barely nudged out the "long in the tooth" design of the 1999-2004 Odyssey in Consumer Reports top minivan rating of 2004 models. It will be interesting to see what Siennas sales do this year with the new and improved Odyssey out.