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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#1884 of 3798 Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor
Mar 16, 2006 (10:37 am)
Go msn.com click autos on the left click used choose Dodge then choose caravan then choose 2001 then click safety, you will see overall poor. Was very poor for us you should see pics of my daughters face after our wreck only 35 mph and her shoulder strap didn't catch- she had concussion with blood from eye nose and mouth. Jerk the front straps hard and fast then jerk the rear ones you will see for yourself THEY DON'T catch. Front catches fine though
#1885 of 3798 Kia no cost extended warranty
Mar 16, 2006 (10:46 am)
2005 Kia was about 16,500 plus tax titles and fee which ended up 18,500 out the door with 5 yr bumper to bumper road side assistance and 20 yr. 200,000 mile powertrain warranty, AND ALLLLL Kia's seatbelts catch, jerk them and see- unlike DODGE caravan (which could of killed my daughter at 35 mph) we just wrecked. Kia's have a 5 star front 5 star rear crash rating.
#1886 of 3798 Re: Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (10:51 am)
Again, sorry to hear about your troubles (and your daughter's, espcially) but PAY ATTENTION to the fact that all seatbelts don't work the same way; many use a pendulum-system that causes seatbelt locking only under extreme-braking forces...
While your van obviously had a problem, every car that doesn't lock upon tugging DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I think you'd do yourself a favor to acknowledge that, and at least think about it a little before continuing to post EVERYWHERE about the fatal flaw in the vans.
Do you really think that if there was a flaw in a million vans, there would be noone reporting it? Probably not; yours is an isolated incident.
#1887 of 3798 Well all I know is Front has different catching mechanism than rear
Mar 16, 2006 (11:02 am)
IN a Dodge caravan explain to me why when you jerk the front they catch perfect and then jerk the rear see how they won't we paid the price and you don't have to. Why would you want to risk it knowing what happen to us?
#1888 of 3798 Re: Well all I know is Front has different catching mechanism than rear [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (11:13 am)
Different mechanisms. In the rear, they are likely designed differently for carrying baby-seats (stretch them out all the way, then they lock as you let it back in), as opposed to the fronts, which aren't supposed to carry baby-seats.
You are very fired-up about the issue, which I can COMPLETELY understand, but I think you need to take your thoughts to the dealer, or regional rep for Chrysler, if not try to bring some media into it. If not, then you need to try to start getting over the issue, because it isn't necessarily a faulty design, yours was just faulty in one particular instance (like a lemon in a sea of other good cars).
Trust me, my family has been through two Chryslers, and they were horrible cars for us, and experienced problems that were documented by many others, so I'm surprising myself that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon in bad-mouthing Chrysler.
Here is the strongest evidence for Chrysler's case...
The government wouldn't allow a car with faulty seatbelts to be driven on the road. It would be a deadly mistake that would cause all kinds of legal issues for the NTHSA if they did. For this reason, I believe that your case was isolated, and that ALL Chrysler vans (or cars with this type of seatbelt) aren't safety hazards.
#1889 of 3798 Did ya read about the gen3 buckle case?
Mar 16, 2006 (12:27 pm)
Lots of people have died because of Chryslers gen3 buckle they wouldn't recall. I did take my thoughts to many dealers why shopping for a new van they agree Rear DONT catch and say if we fix the rear straps would you be interested in buying and I say Yes I would I loved it until we wrecked but then I never heard from them. I know Im probally freaked out but I live for my kids they are my life I would die for them just so they could live another day and she was just hurt so needlessly. If you were a mom and it was your daughters face you would be screaming too. We had to wake her every 4 hrs just to make sure that she WOULD wake up. It took days for her eye to open but God is good and merciful she is recovering well. Now I just dont want other kids getting hurt or killed.
#1890 of 3798 Re: Did ya read about the gen3 buckle case? [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (12:47 pm)
Regardless of how they were designed (inertia or pendelum style) it doesn't sound like yours were working properly. I'd recommend everyone test their belts every now and then just to be sure. No reason you can't hit the brakes hard and see how the seatbelts react.
#1891 of 3798 Re: Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (1:12 pm)
"Go msn.com click autos on the left click used choose Dodge then choose caravan then choose 2001 then click safety, you will see overall poor. Was very poor for us you should see pics of my daughters face after our wreck only 35 mph and her shoulder strap didn't catch- she had concussion with blood from eye nose and mouth. Jerk the front straps hard and fast then jerk the rear ones you will see for yourself THEY DON'T catch. Front catches fine though "
OH, I thought that you were shopping for a new van. 2006 DC models have very good safety ratings
I am sorry that your daughter got hurt, and I understand your frustration in this incident, but it's been explained that this pull test doesn't necessarily prove anything. Do you really think that there are millions of vans out there that have rear shoulder belts that don't catch? You don't think this was a problem with just your car?
#1892 of 3798 Re: Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (5:45 pm)
"Choose 2001...." How can you state that a 2005 Kia has a 5 star rating (as does the 2005, 2006 DC vans)and then compare it to your 2001? You have made a lot of posts, but have you visited the Kia forums? The Kia problems and solutions board makes for very good reading, if you want to talk safety. Good luck with your Kia, please read the Kia problem forums, to be forewarned.
#1893 of 3798 Buying a minivan in the next couple days....
Mar 16, 2006 (5:53 pm)
Thanks for your input, everybody. I agree on so many points. I am NOT going to finance ANYTHING this time around. My wife and I live on a tight income since we decided to stay home with the baby with just me working. We work in a tight $300 window per month after the bills are paid. I cannot finance. It's going to be cash. We're looking heavily at the MPV. We talked to mechanics all over town and they just trash the Dodge Caravan and Kias. They say those two are their number one minivan "patients." Every mechanic recommended Honda, Toyota or Mazda. I have tried hard to gauge everything by looking at Consumer Reports, JD Power, Intellichoice, MSN Autos, word of mouth, talking to mechanics, and reading up for HOURS AND HOURS each day on these cars. Kia is still a stinker van. In fact, Warranty Direct, the company you see here on Edmunds.com, endorsed heavily by Edmunds, told us on the phone that the MPV is of the same quality as the Odyssey and Sienna. They said NO WAY to the Caravan or Kia Sedona. While I agree both Dodge and kia are better than the 90's, they're still stinkers. I'm probably going with a very slightly used MPV or else a Sienna with 40 or 50k miles.