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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#1881 of 3798 Re: Still dying, I can't find a minivan worth a darn! [gurneyhalleck]
Mar 16, 2006 (6:44 am)
First, I agree with dennisctc, Mazda is nowhere in the vicinity of going belly up. While the MPV is currently not on the American market, they sell a lot of passenger cars which get very good reviews. The MPV may return in the future (the new MPV, sold in Japan only right now, is a really fine looking vehicle, and especially a great looking minivan).
Second, in regard to the quality and durability of the Hyundai/Kia's, my research over the last year shows that everybody, and I mean everybody, who writes about cars or car manufacturers, says that the current generation of Hyundai/Kias bears no resemblance to the cars of the 90's and early 2000's. They all say that Hyundai/Kia has made tremendous strides in quality and durability over the past three to five years. Many note that Toyota is looking over its shoulder at a very fast approaching Hyundai/Kia.
Third, the reason all your co-workers are telling you to buy the Odyssey is because that's all they know and they haven't spent the time and done the research to know what's out there.
Fourth, I also agree with dennisctc that if you put down $15,000 on a minivan and finance the rest, almost all manufacturers offer very low interest rates for relatively short term loans (two to three years)--some of them from 0% to .9% or 1.9%. At that rate you could get a brand new minivan, with a full new car warranty, and still have very, very low payments for a fairly short time.
I will be buying a minivan in about nine months. The Hyundai/Kia vans are virtually identical, except for some cosmetic differences. Based on the quality and features and warranty available for the price, those two vans (Entourage and Sedona) pretty much complete my short list.
#1882 of 3798 Re: Wrecked Dodge bought a Kia [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (7:35 am)
How much did the 5yr bumper to bumper and 20yr 200K powertrain extended warranty cost and what are the deductables? Sounds great.
#1883 of 3798 Re: Wrecked Dodge bought a Kia [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (8:15 am)
Msn.com auto is very handy -Dodge is rated POOR."
They are? By who?
I think you're mistaken...
#1884 of 3798 Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor
Mar 16, 2006 (10:37 am)
Go msn.com click autos on the left click used choose Dodge then choose caravan then choose 2001 then click safety, you will see overall poor. Was very poor for us you should see pics of my daughters face after our wreck only 35 mph and her shoulder strap didn't catch- she had concussion with blood from eye nose and mouth. Jerk the front straps hard and fast then jerk the rear ones you will see for yourself THEY DON'T catch. Front catches fine though
#1885 of 3798 Kia no cost extended warranty
Mar 16, 2006 (10:46 am)
2005 Kia was about 16,500 plus tax titles and fee which ended up 18,500 out the door with 5 yr bumper to bumper road side assistance and 20 yr. 200,000 mile powertrain warranty, AND ALLLLL Kia's seatbelts catch, jerk them and see- unlike DODGE caravan (which could of killed my daughter at 35 mph) we just wrecked. Kia's have a 5 star front 5 star rear crash rating.
#1886 of 3798 Re: Msn.com Dodge safety rating poor [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (10:51 am)
Again, sorry to hear about your troubles (and your daughter's, espcially) but PAY ATTENTION to the fact that all seatbelts don't work the same way; many use a pendulum-system that causes seatbelt locking only under extreme-braking forces...
While your van obviously had a problem, every car that doesn't lock upon tugging DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. I think you'd do yourself a favor to acknowledge that, and at least think about it a little before continuing to post EVERYWHERE about the fatal flaw in the vans.
Do you really think that if there was a flaw in a million vans, there would be noone reporting it? Probably not; yours is an isolated incident.
#1887 of 3798 Well all I know is Front has different catching mechanism than rear
Mar 16, 2006 (11:02 am)
IN a Dodge caravan explain to me why when you jerk the front they catch perfect and then jerk the rear see how they won't we paid the price and you don't have to. Why would you want to risk it knowing what happen to us?
#1888 of 3798 Re: Well all I know is Front has different catching mechanism than rear [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (11:13 am)
Different mechanisms. In the rear, they are likely designed differently for carrying baby-seats (stretch them out all the way, then they lock as you let it back in), as opposed to the fronts, which aren't supposed to carry baby-seats.
You are very fired-up about the issue, which I can COMPLETELY understand, but I think you need to take your thoughts to the dealer, or regional rep for Chrysler, if not try to bring some media into it. If not, then you need to try to start getting over the issue, because it isn't necessarily a faulty design, yours was just faulty in one particular instance (like a lemon in a sea of other good cars).
Trust me, my family has been through two Chryslers, and they were horrible cars for us, and experienced problems that were documented by many others, so I'm surprising myself that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon in bad-mouthing Chrysler.
Here is the strongest evidence for Chrysler's case...
The government wouldn't allow a car with faulty seatbelts to be driven on the road. It would be a deadly mistake that would cause all kinds of legal issues for the NTHSA if they did. For this reason, I believe that your case was isolated, and that ALL Chrysler vans (or cars with this type of seatbelt) aren't safety hazards.
#1889 of 3798 Did ya read about the gen3 buckle case?
Mar 16, 2006 (12:27 pm)
Lots of people have died because of Chryslers gen3 buckle they wouldn't recall. I did take my thoughts to many dealers why shopping for a new van they agree Rear DONT catch and say if we fix the rear straps would you be interested in buying and I say Yes I would I loved it until we wrecked but then I never heard from them. I know Im probally freaked out but I live for my kids they are my life I would die for them just so they could live another day and she was just hurt so needlessly. If you were a mom and it was your daughters face you would be screaming too. We had to wake her every 4 hrs just to make sure that she WOULD wake up. It took days for her eye to open but God is good and merciful she is recovering well. Now I just dont want other kids getting hurt or killed.
#1890 of 3798 Re: Did ya read about the gen3 buckle case? [temp409]
Mar 16, 2006 (12:47 pm)
Regardless of how they were designed (inertia or pendelum style) it doesn't sound like yours were working properly. I'd recommend everyone test their belts every now and then just to be sure. No reason you can't hit the brakes hard and see how the seatbelts react.