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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#1485 of 3798 Re: Aha! [marine2]
Feb 05, 2006 (9:53 am)
You make great points and I am happy for you on your decision. On the other hand, I have owned (3) Honda products. A 1996 Accord and Odyssey and a 1999 CRV. All (3) vehicles never gave me any problems. The (10) year old Odyssey with 135K miles does not have (1) rattle (Itís incredible). The Accord will have 190K miles with no problems or rattles. The CRV has a problem, it has a rattle in the dome light and only rattles during the summer, it has 114K miles. If everything was built like Hondas (appliances, electronics, plumbing etc..) life would be less stressful. My point, Honda cars are more expensive than domestics, but they EARNED the right to price the vehicles that way. If their current products are anything close to the ones they made 10 years ago, I wouldnít hesitate to spend the money on such a good product even if it may be a couple thousand $'s more than the competition. Check out consumer reports and other product review magazines, they are always on thier "recommended" lists.
#1486 of 3798 Re: Aha! [k203206]
Feb 05, 2006 (11:15 am)
I know what you mean about Honda dependability. They do make very good vehicles, no denying that. That is one of the reasons we bought our 2004 Civic. Plus the price for the Civic was only about $1,300.00 more than the Ford Focus we were thinking about buying, when we were ready to get rid of our 1993 Eagle Vision. Plus the wife liked the dash lights on the Civic better. But if the price had been around $3-4,000.00 more, we would have a Focus in the driveway now. The Focus really is a fun car to drive.
I think the Honda Ody is an excellent van, I can't and won't put it down. It's just that to me, it was way to expensive over the Dodge and didn't have the fold flat seats or deep wells that the Dodge had, that I know I would really use.
I have also had a number of Chrysler products down through the years. I had some problems with some of the ones I bought earlier in the 60s,70s and 80s. Nothing major, but annoying. But the last three before this minivan, Our 1989 New Yorker, 1993 Eagle Vision, 2001 Dodge Dakota,CC. were all trouble free except the last two years of the Eagle.(Air compressor & Engine mounts) But it gave us good service for 11 years. Even the power windows and door locks still worked after that long. So I have to believe that American cars are not anywhere near as bad anymore as people like to make them out to be and can be a great value to the buyer. I see that most are not rated that far behind some Japanese models and some are even rated ahead. On a whole, American cars are now rated better than European cars. So I think America has come a long way. It's mostly the reputation they need to get rid of now. And there are some great values for the dollar if one keeps an open mind.
#1487 of 3798 Re: Aha! [marine2]
Feb 05, 2006 (9:02 pm)
re your comment about saving 7-8k by choosing a dgc, i think that the savings depends more on what model level you are comparing... we first looked at a dgc sxt to replace our 96 gc and were disappointed by the new model's cheaper interior "feel" and less comfortable middle seats, price was only 22.7 after a 4k rebate...next we checked the odyssey lx which is the base version.. it had more features that we wanted, was of higher overall quality and ended up costing only 24k, only 1.3k more that an sxt...
#1488 of 3798 Re: Aha! [petras2]
Feb 05, 2006 (11:30 pm)
petras2, I don't think anyone would argue that the Honda is nicer looking inside than the Dodge G.C. They're not even close. I have the SXT and paid a little over $23,000 for it. To get a Honda with close to the same stuff on it, would have cost over $30,000. I have power everything on the SXT. If I remember right, Honda doesn't even offer the power rear hatch on their cheaper models even if you were willing to pay extra for it. I don't remember them having the overhead computer, better radio and speakers, or adjustable peddles on the cheaper models either.
I'll also admit the middle seats, while they are comfortable, are not as comfortable as the Honda's. But I also don't sit in those seats. No one that has sat back there has ever complained of them being uncomfortable. But even if the Honda gave me the same price as my SXT, I would have still bought the Dodge, because of the deep wells and the fold away seats.
I use my van, much more than hauling people. I had a pickup before and had nowhere to put stuff I always carry with me, especially out here in Arizona where it can get up to 120 and a gas station can be 50 miles away from each other. I always carry battery cables, blanket, tape, tools,flash light, can of fix a flat and etc. Also water if I go out of town. The Dodge lets me store all that in just one of those deep wells, out of sight.
I also do a lot of my own work around the house and I'm always buying stuff at Home Depot. Those fold in the floor seats work perfect for me. So much so, they are the reason I got rid of my truck. They also come in handy like last week when we bought our daughter that baby bed and chest. We saved $35.00 delivery fee by being able to take it ourselves. When my brother and I remodled our sister's bathroom, sis also saved over $70.00 by me being able to carry it all in my van.
The Honda is beautiful and dependable. But it's not the van I would want for the stuff I use my van for. It's a great people hauler. Mine is that also. Not as nice inside, but it is more family and work friendly than the Honda and thousands of dollars less.
I have said many times, if your using your van to just haul people, you can't do better than buying a Honda. But if your carrying a lot of stuff, got kids or babies that require you to carry a bunch of stuff, the Dodge fits the bill better than any van on the market. You can put all kinds of toys, diaper bags, sport equipment in those bins and your van will never look messy. You can stow just one middle seat and put in a wagon, set up stroller, 25 gallon air compressor, or what have you. It truly is a work and family friendly van. So it all depends on what one uses their van for and how much money you want to spend.
#1491 of 3798 Re: Aha! [marine2]
Feb 06, 2006 (8:29 am)
i agree with you in that the flexibility of the gc can't be beat and it probably is the best compromise for various jobs...re the power hatch and sliding doors, i am of the old school belief, "kiss", (keep it simple stupid) ...to me all those power sliders and hatches are just another potential mechanical problem and expense down the road...our biggest problem with the 96 gc was with the "bells and whistles" options like the overhead computer/display, infinity factory speakers and radio, etc. overall though we were pretty satisfied with it over the years...
#1492 of 3798 What is the Safety of Your Family Worth?
Feb 06, 2006 (10:21 am)
I have read all the excellent, thoughtful posts concerning the versatility of DCX van seating. Several of you boasted about the many thousands of dollars you saved by buying a DCX product when compared to a Honda Odyssey. The one thing not mentioned was safety. Is it more important to carry your Home Depot 2 x 4s than to protect your passengers? I bought an Odyssey because it offered the most standard safety features such as electronic stability control, head curtain airbags, electronic brake assist, etc. It is a matter of priority and placing the value of folding seats VS life changing, debilitating injuries or death of a loved one.
#1493 of 3798 Re: Honda reliability? [marine2]
Feb 06, 2006 (11:28 am)
Honda cars had outstanding reliability when they were simple with very few comfort features. Once Honda added power sliding doors, started building a heavier minivan, etc. the Odyssey did NOT live up to the reliability expectation that Honda sedans had earned.
Just read in the problems forums for all minivans for an accurate measure of reliability. What are the current owners of current minivans reporting?
#1494 of 3798 Honda cars have outstanding reliability [hansienna]
Feb 06, 2006 (12:10 pm)
I know what you mean...All of our friends always wanted to take OUR van when we went somewhere because it was much nicer than their Windstar, Town and Country, and Tahoe. It became quite a burden having a car we and our friends loved so much. Unfortunately for us, our Odyssey never spent an hour being repaired, so when the Heatons' (friends of ours) Chrysler was getting a transmission put in, we HAD to take our much loved Odyssey again. Sheesh, what a burden.