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You are in the Vans & Minivans
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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
Jan 13, 2006 (4:29 pm)
I look for value and quality in a vehicle. They're almost there.
I'd agree, and take your statement a bit further. The last Nissan Armada, Quest (2004 auto show), and most recently the Xterra(2005 auto show) I sat in had horrible interior finish quality. Things like knobs that felt like I could pull them off easily, buttons that wobble in their housing, flimsy plastic buttons, etc...
Given, the 2005+ Altimas are better than these I mentioned here...
Hyundai's new cars have this beat by a mile, and cost much MUCH less.
#1383 of 3798 Compared all minivans again today
Jan 13, 2006 (7:36 pm)
And still prefer DC, Sienna, or Odyssey. Each has advantages and disadvantages. The 2006 Kia Sedona is greatly improved although the 3rd row seat did not appear to be as comfortable for an adult as the 3rd row seat of the DC, Sienna, or Odyssey but the cargo space behind the 3rd row looked about the same.
#1384 of 3798 Ford may axe minivans...
Jan 20, 2006 (6:23 am)
Even with heavy rental & fleet sales, both Ford and GM MV sales are less than half those of Honda and Toyota. As we all know Honda does not participate in rental/fleet sales.
Now we know why Ford and GM do not put too much effort in this segment as can be seen in their products.
#1385 of 3798 Re: Ford may axe minivans... [macakava]
Jan 20, 2006 (2:39 pm)
"both Ford and GM MV sales are less than half those of Honda and Toyota"
Both Honda and Toyota sales combined are less than those of DCX. So, using your logic, Honda and Toyota should "axe" the Odyssey and Sienna?
#1386 of 3798 Re: Ford may axe minivans... [jipster]
Jan 20, 2006 (3:43 pm)
IMHO if a domestic fleet saled vehicle doesn't sell more than the more expensive Honda/Toyotas.....it's got problems. The domestics HAVE to move big numbers to cover their fixed costs.
Jan 20, 2006 (9:11 pm)
Incentives will be galore on Terrazas and Montereys...
#1388 of 3798 Re: Ford may axe minivans... [jipster]
Jan 21, 2006 (8:04 am)
"Both Honda and Toyota sales combined are less than those of DCX. So, using your logic, Honda and Toyota should "axe" the Odyssey and Sienna?"
Different league/class, Mon!
WE can understand the case for MPV which will DISSAPPEAR SOON!
#1389 of 3798 Re: Aha! [jchan2]
Jan 21, 2006 (8:05 am)
"Incentives will be galore on Terrazas and Montereys..."
It is the only way to move these POSs!!!
#1390 of 3798 Re: Ford may axe minivans... [sebring95]
Jan 21, 2006 (8:11 am)
"IMHO if a domestic fleet saled vehicle doesn't sell more than the more expensive Honda/Toyotas.....it's got problems. The domestics HAVE to move big numbers to cover their fixed costs. "
Well said, Mon!
Even with low margins and higher volumes via fleet, the domestics are not as profitable as Toyota and Honda. The domestics are losing money to give their vehicles away. Toyota and Honda do not need to do - the buying public is willing to pay more for peace of mind!
Watch out - BK(Chap 11/13) soon for GM, Ford and Chrysler!!!
Jan 21, 2006 (9:50 am)
I think those shopping for a new minivan ought to look at the Kia Sedona 2006+ area. So far only two owners of a 2006 Sedona have posted but the prices paid are very favorable compared to fully loaded Hondas and Siennas. Kia was aiming at the Toyota/Honda market with this van. Maybe they have conceited the low end of the minivan class to DCX? Look at a fully loaded Sedona EX with all the options and you are paying about $28,000 compared to about $5,000 - $6,000 more for the competition. Add a 5/60k bumper to bumper and 10/100k drive train warranty and you MUST look their way. If the quality holds up as well as their other newer models then Honda and Toyota need to be very scared.