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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#1155 of 3798 Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (8:11 am)
Page 209 of CR 2006 Buying Guide. Meanwhile, T&C and Caravan have Average reliability for 2003 and 2004 but CR on page 182 CR predicts the 2006 MPV as a recommended choice and does not recommend the 2006 T&C and GC.
WHY CAN'T CR even analyze their own data so that one page will agree with another page ?
Once again, CR is NOT Recommended for purchase as it is a completely unreliable source of information. Biased writing does not agree with statistics gathered by CR.
Smart people buy the vehicle they want and pay no attention to the unreliable, inaccurate, biased writing of CR.
#1156 of 3798 Re: Why consider purchasing a Mazda MPV ? [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (8:15 am)
Zoom-Zoom-Zoom The MPV is very sporty in appearance and owners of the MPV have been very satisfied. The size is JUST right for many people. Why buy a larger vehicle that may not fit in the garage and would be more difficult to park?
#1157 of 3798 Re: Why consider purchasing a Mazda MPV ? [hansienna]
Nov 15, 2005 (9:12 am)
Mostly right, hans. I usually try to minimize vehicle ownership costs, subject to safety requirements and a minimum amount of agility. While I think it is the best looking MV now, I drove a friend's MPV quite a bit this year and don't think it has a lot of zoom-zoom factor - but it is minivan. The ability to pick up an MPV on the cheap new or used, coupled with decent crash scores (if I can find one with side airbags) is the deciding factor. The size IS right, and the warranty is better than the competition. My concerns are Mazda's (and dealerships) customer service and attitude, and a fuel economy worse than what can be expected from the compact size.
Second choice: 2002 Villager (steine's special) with ABS. One advertised for 9k just sold from under me... keeps me out of CCBA
#1158 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [hansienna]
Nov 15, 2005 (12:07 pm)
Agree with that Hans. The 2006 CR Buying Guide was very confusing in reguards to vehicles recommended and reliability. They seemed to contradict their findings throughout. The 2004 Honda Odyssey(pg 204) and the 2004 Dodge Grand Caravan V-6(pg200)have EXACTLY the same reliabilty scores in the 14 categories rated. Yet, the Ody gets a better than average reliability score and the DGC gets only an average overall reliability score.
#1159 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (2:13 pm)
CR tends to have a severe bias towards Honda/Toyota and against the Big 3.
#1160 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jchan2]
Nov 15, 2005 (7:25 pm)
I'm big on reliability... being a frugal consumer. So, if I were buying today there are few minivans I would not put on my list.As I believe most minivans in todays market are fairly reliable. At the top of my list would be Mazda , Toyota, Honda, DCX and the GM minis. At this time I would not put the Ford Freestar,the 2004-2005 Nissan Quest or Kia Sedona on my list.The 2006 models of Sedona and Quest I would look at if reliability continues to improve.
But, yeah...CR shows little love beyond Honda and Toyota in the minivan category,
#1161 of 3798 New here, question about fold flat seats
Nov 15, 2005 (4:39 pm)
My name is Michelle and I'm new here. We are researching minivans in hopes of buying one soon. I have a question: Does anyone know which minivan makes/models have the fold flat seats? I know some have both rows that fold flat and some only the back row. We are looking to buy a used minivan - so any minivans that have those seats from the year 2000 and up. We rented a Dodge 2005 Grand Caravan the other day and loved how the bucket seats folded right into the floor!
Thanks for your help and information!
#1162 of 3798 Re: New here, question about fold flat seats [mjpinto]
Nov 16, 2005 (6:57 am)
Nearly all minivans except GM's four versions have fold into the floor third row seats. GM's second and third rows fold to form a fairly flat cargo area, but do not fold into pockets in the floor, so they compromise cargo capacity. Also, their SUV wannabe front end is kind of ugly, in my opinion.
The long wheel base versions from Dodge and Chrysler brands all have fold into the floor second and third row seats, except on some stripped low end models. Their short wheel base versions do not fold flat, second or third rows either
Odyssey and Sienna and Ford Freestar have fold into the floor third row only. Second rows must be removed to have a complete flat load floor up to the front seats, though some of them can be tipped and collapsed up against the front row, I believe.
Nissan's minivan has the second row seats that "semi fold". They drop down part way but not completely flush with the floor, so you do not get a flat cargo surface. Also, you better be aware that Nissan's minivan dash arrangement is bizarre.
I don't know much about Kia's however.
#1163 of 3798 Re: New here, question about fold flat seats [badgerfan]
Nov 16, 2005 (7:18 am)
Thanks for the info Badgerfan! The models you are referring to, are these 2005 models - or can this information be applied to models in the past few years?
#1164 of 3798 Re: New here, question about fold flat seats [mjpinto]
Nov 16, 2005 (11:32 am)
For the Dodge/Chrysler vans, it applies to the 2005 models and newer. The 2005's were introduced early in calendar year 2004, if I recall.
Current Honda Odyssey has had stowable third row in both the current generation introduced in 2005 model year and the previous generation, which was introduced in 1999, I believe. For Sienna, I do not know if it's previous generation had a stowable third row, but the current generation was introduced in 2004 and basically unchanged since then.
GM's current Minivans were introduced in 2005 model year. Previous generations did not have even the semi-stowable seats they have now in either second or third row.
Ford Freestar has been on the market about two years and all Fresstars have had the stowable third row. The previous generation Ford was the Windstar, which did not have stowable seats.
Currently the Dodge/Chrysler twins have the edge in easily stowable seats for both second and third rows. If you see a little "Stow and Go" decal right below the driver's side window near the rear post, it will have the second and third row stow into the floor feature.