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You are in the Vans & Minivans
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Toyota Sienna, Dodge Caravan, Chevrolet Venture, Mazda MPV, Kia Sedona, Honda Odyssey, Chevrolet Uplander, Nissan Quest, Hyundai Entourage, Van
#1151 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV Back On Top! [jipster]
Nov 14, 2005 (10:38 am)
This is very nice (and this is keeping in mind that you own an MPV, and I am considering buying one), but I do not see how reliability can be meaningfully assessed on 2006 vehicles. These have been out for, what, 2-3 months? Of course they are not breaking down - nor should they be for the next n years (where n is hopefully higher than 4, the length of the Mazda comprehensive warranty.)
#1152 of 3798 Re: Odyssey or Sienna [macakava]
Nov 14, 2005 (2:59 pm)
Well the scent isn't there anymore.
And I see Corollas and Camrys quite often, even 4Runners occasionally, but rarely Siennas.
I won't do any towing. I do not have the towing package installed and I don't have anything to tow.
maybe I'll just hold off my purchase. I don't know. I'm kind of using a wait and see approach right now.
#1154 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV Back On Top! [asafonov]
Nov 15, 2005 (6:22 am)
"but I do not see how reliability can be meaningfully assessed on 2006 models..."
CR uses the term " predicted reliability" for the 2006 models. Which is based on the previous year (and years) reliability records.
What led you to consider purchasing the MPV if I may ask?
#1155 of 3798 Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (8:11 am)
Page 209 of CR 2006 Buying Guide. Meanwhile, T&C and Caravan have Average reliability for 2003 and 2004 but CR on page 182 CR predicts the 2006 MPV as a recommended choice and does not recommend the 2006 T&C and GC.
WHY CAN'T CR even analyze their own data so that one page will agree with another page ?
Once again, CR is NOT Recommended for purchase as it is a completely unreliable source of information. Biased writing does not agree with statistics gathered by CR.
Smart people buy the vehicle they want and pay no attention to the unreliable, inaccurate, biased writing of CR.
#1156 of 3798 Re: Why consider purchasing a Mazda MPV ? [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (8:15 am)
Zoom-Zoom-Zoom The MPV is very sporty in appearance and owners of the MPV have been very satisfied. The size is JUST right for many people. Why buy a larger vehicle that may not fit in the garage and would be more difficult to park?
#1157 of 3798 Re: Why consider purchasing a Mazda MPV ? [hansienna]
Nov 15, 2005 (9:12 am)
Mostly right, hans. I usually try to minimize vehicle ownership costs, subject to safety requirements and a minimum amount of agility. While I think it is the best looking MV now, I drove a friend's MPV quite a bit this year and don't think it has a lot of zoom-zoom factor - but it is minivan. The ability to pick up an MPV on the cheap new or used, coupled with decent crash scores (if I can find one with side airbags) is the deciding factor. The size IS right, and the warranty is better than the competition. My concerns are Mazda's (and dealerships) customer service and attitude, and a fuel economy worse than what can be expected from the compact size.
Second choice: 2002 Villager (steine's special) with ABS. One advertised for 9k just sold from under me... keeps me out of CCBA
#1158 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [hansienna]
Nov 15, 2005 (12:07 pm)
Agree with that Hans. The 2006 CR Buying Guide was very confusing in reguards to vehicles recommended and reliability. They seemed to contradict their findings throughout. The 2004 Honda Odyssey(pg 204) and the 2004 Dodge Grand Caravan V-6(pg200)have EXACTLY the same reliabilty scores in the 14 categories rated. Yet, the Ody gets a better than average reliability score and the DGC gets only an average overall reliability score.
#1159 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jipster]
Nov 15, 2005 (2:13 pm)
CR tends to have a severe bias towards Honda/Toyota and against the Big 3.
#1160 of 3798 Re: Mazda MPV reliability is BELOW Average for 2003 and 2004 ! [jchan2]
Nov 15, 2005 (7:25 pm)
I'm big on reliability... being a frugal consumer. So, if I were buying today there are few minivans I would not put on my list.As I believe most minivans in todays market are fairly reliable. At the top of my list would be Mazda , Toyota, Honda, DCX and the GM minis. At this time I would not put the Ford Freestar,the 2004-2005 Nissan Quest or Kia Sedona on my list.The 2006 models of Sedona and Quest I would look at if reliability continues to improve.
But, yeah...CR shows little love beyond Honda and Toyota in the minivan category,