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#989 of 996 Re: 2007 Range Rover HSE Airbags [djt21] by pfolk Oct 27, 2008 (9:11 pm)
Replying to: djt21 (Oct 27, 2008 6:57 pm) Your concern for your children's safety is admirable, but you seem to be drawing some unwarranted conclusions about the function and performance of these airbag systems based on inadequate information. If you don't feel safe with your family in a Range Rover, there isn't anything else on the road that could give you the sense of security you are seeking.   Your model year Range Rover was designed by BMW, a car company that has a long and well-deserved reputation for protecting the safety of drivers and passengers in its vehicles. Their customers routinely write to tell the company about surviving accidents that would have caused death or serious injury in any other vehicle because their Bimmers were so well-designed and built. (FWIW, I survived a side impact crash in a BMW - before the advent of side impact air bags - and was able to drive my vehicle to the body shop for repairs. They are that tough.)   Consider the fact that the primary passenger safety system in any vehicle is the seat and shoulder belt system. If your kids are buckled in before you put the truck into gear, you have done the best thing you can do to protect them from harm in th event of an accident. If they are not yet old enough to use seat belts, then they should be belted in a properly secured, second-row car seat. Properly securing your loved ones inside a truck as tall, massive, and well-built as a Range Rover is the best thing you can do for them as a parent.   Second, remember that air bags are only supplemental safety systems. And in the case of side airbags, their primary function is to keep arms and heads inside the vehicle in the event of a side impact, and to prevent - to the extent possible - debris or other objects from entering a window. They also serve to protect against harm from impact with hard surfaces inside the truck. They were never intended to protect occupants from absorbing the kinetic forces of the initial impact the way that the steel frame and crush zones of the vehicle will. By belting your kids in properly, you are keeping them away from the exterior frame and body members that will absorb and re-direct the forces of a crash. You will also keep them away from the hard surfaces inside that can cause harm from secondary impacts. Isolation = safety.   Third, any safety system, like an air bag system, is one of the most intensively engineered and tested components of a vehicle. The risk of liability suits prompts all automakers to do their best to assure that these systems provide the protection that consumers are expecting. On the face of it, there is nothing to say that a full curtain air bag provides a measurably greater benefit than a tubular system.   Fourth, there may be another logical explanation for why the marketing materials showed one type of system and the production vehicle has a slightly different one installed. These are very complicated devices and only a limited number of companies make them. Considerations of price, availability, integration with other interior components such as seats and interior moldings, and regulatory approvals all affect the final configuration of the vehicle. The fact remains that you are driving a vehicle that has a side-impact supplemental restraint system. That's a lot more than many other manufacturers offer.   Please, before suggesting that Land Rover failed to serve your needs as a customer, go back to your dealer and have someone who knows the vehicle show you the location of the air bags in your truck. You're driving one of the safest vehicles on the planet and you're a good parent. Replies to this message: djt21 (Oct 28, 2008 8:46 am)
#990 of 996 Re: 2007 Range Rover HSE Airbags [pfolk] by djt21 Oct 28, 2008 (8:46 am)
Replying to: pfolk (Oct 27, 2008 9:11 pm) Your statements are absolutely correct. The current RR was designed in the mid 90's by BMW with (at the time) state of the art design and safety standards. And yes, my children are always properly secured in the vehicle with Britax car seats.   But you can't ignore the facts. Most newer vehicles that have a head protection system (even the RR sport) use curtain style airbags for 1st & 2nd rows. And I really wouldn't care if RR continued with the original tube and pillow style system, I simply would have chosen to purchase a different vehicle that offered what some safety experts consider to be a safer system, such as a full curtain airbag. My only issue lies with how Land Rover irresponsibly promoted this as a redesign of the safety airbags to INCLUDE NEW CURTAIN AIRBAGS FOR BOTH ROWS. This is false and misleading.   No matter how well engineered a RR is and how safe it is in many other regards I was SIMPLY MISLED by the company when they put in writing in their 2007 brouchure that the RR had a new curtain style airbag system for head protection. I was also MISLED when the sales rep told me the same thing upon purchasing the vehicle.   I think the RR is a great vehicle, and as you said very, very safe and superior to other vehicles in many regards. But accidents DO happen and head protection for small children (or anyone for that matter) is incredibly important to ME, maybe not yourself. The depicted pillow style airbag in the 2nd row is very small, mounted high and does not extend low enough to protect young children and also leaves a great deal of the back window exposed where debris could enter through the window. Look at the picture of the so called "curtain style" airbags deployed in a 2008 RR brouchure and then tell me if you would'nt rather have your children in a vehicle with an actual curtain style system.   Upon contacting Land Rover North Americas corporate offices via their email correspondence, I was told that the illustration in brouchures are correct and the airbags depicted are accurate. THIS IS NOT what a 1st & 2nd ROW CURTAIN AIRBAG looks like.
#991 of 996 Re: range rover 06 issues - help [jdowds] by andrewh5489 Dec 24, 2008 (7:33 pm)
Replying to: jdowds (Apr 18, 2007 7:55 pm) oh wow. ya i hadnt said anything to the dealership yet but i just bought a used 03 range rover and every once in a while when i go to unlock/get in my car there is a really high pitch squealing noise that i cant even figure out exactly where it comes from. sometimes it even cuts out if i restart the engine firmly. also sometimes it comes on randomly when im driving, but very rarely as opposed to when i unlock/enter the vehicle. i was wondering what it was and it sounds like this may be the same issue as with your 03 range. so i will probably mention these small fans to them when i tell them about the issue...also, i do not have any warranty that would likely cover these parts (i dont know if u did) but do u think it will be expensive to have them replaced? (i am well aware by now how much landrover likes to nickel and dime you for vehicle servicing). thanks so much for your help.
#992 of 996 06 Range Rover HELP NEEDED by psalm23and24 Mar 01, 2009 (9:06 pm)
1. any one know of a custom subwoofer box for the 2006 Range Rover Supercharged? I will appreciate any info/lead or where to purchase. 2. Also any success stories re aftermarket audio (adding subs, amps, speakers etc) - please kindly give some details of successes achieved and how (products and installation details and help). 3. Lastly any issues and/or benefits to installing suede headliners? Kindly help a new Range Lover out. PM me if you wish. Thanks a lot for your help. Christopher cbazuayemindspring.com
#993 of 996 2003 Range Rover - ? re: possible purchase by cpr3 May 19, 2009 (6:39 pm)
Hi there -   Am thinking of purchasing a 03 RR - HSE w/ 90,000 mi. The dealer is asking $20,000 - says it has a rear main seal leaks which he says is common in RR. He also just replaced one of he air suspension balloons. My concern is the leak and any possible problems other than the rear main seal.   The dealer purchased this at an auction... and apparently someone put about 80,000 mi on it during the past 2 yrs. = ???   I'm hoping that someone might have some ideas... and of, course, also about the appropriateness of the price.   Thanks- Replies to this message: andrewh5489 (Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am)
#995 of 996 winding noise by rwoods19 Jul 01, 2009 (5:37 am)
i have a 2004 land rover range rover and its starting to make a winding noise as i accelerate. my transmission is not slipping and she seems to be handling very well. any ideas. could it be a starter problem.   the only reason i'm asking it seems every time i go to the dealer they give me information about stuff that i need and really dont and then they charge me out the ass. it seems like i have more problems when i leave the dealer than when i came.
#996 of 996 Re: 2003 Range Rover - ? re: possible purchase [cpr3] by andrewh5489 Jul 01, 2009 (10:54 am)
Replying to: cpr3 (May 19, 2009 6:39 pm) the price does not sound that great...i just purchased an 03 in perfect exterior/interior condition with no mechanical problems from my land rover richmond dealership with about 75,000 miles on it and along with the complete landrover service history for about $21,000. i would be cautious of buying one from an auction as opposed to a certified landrover dealership with the entire service history. rear leaks are common ive been told but something you probably dont want to have to worry about if you don't have to.   ive had mine for about nine months now and the only problems ive had have been mainly minor...like my steering wheel squeaks when it moves in and out when i start/turn off the car. and sometimes there is a high pitch whining noise when i unlock/get in my car...which i have heard is from a fan that turns on when the car is unlocked to cool the electrical system.   honesty, i think you could find a better deal and make sure you check the service history and test drive it (since many of these vehicles are so prone to electrical and mechanical problems)   hope that helps you out. good luck! you will love the vehicle! just make sure u find the right one

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