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#563 of 1002 Is The 2005 Range Rover The Same Old Land Rover?
Dec 20, 2004 (6:30 pm)
I really like the 05 RR, and I specify 05 because they have gone to voice recognition, bluetooth, and fiber optics tecnologies, along with a useful navigation system with Touch Screen. I think the truck is gorgeous, in an anti-truck way. Very conservative, and yet bold and classy. The interior is art (and I don't say these things about cars), but that is how striking the Range Rover is to me. I really desire one. But, is this the same old Land Rover product, with problem after problem? I am scared to death of taking the plunge, and becoming a victom of the british car maker curse.
I would like to read experiences from RR owners, specifically about QC issues.
Also has anyone heard of when FOMOCO will begin imposing it's will on the RR?
#564 of 1002 Re: Is The 2005 Range Rover The Same Old Land Rover? [mgreene]
Dec 20, 2004 (7:19 pm)
They already have. The new Nav system and other systems you like have been designed since Ford owned Land Rover. Ford is not heavy handed with it's PAG vehicles like GM has been with Saab. You're not going to see a Lincoln Navigator with a Range Rover badge like the Saab 9-7x is a rebadged GMC Envoy. You will see ongoing improvements in the Range Rover and with all Land Rover products. These include Jaguar based V8 engines that have been redesigned to fulfill the off-road requirements a Land Rover has to have along with power outputs for competitive on-road performance.
There has also been a big push to improve quality and reliability on the vehicles. As new models are developed this will be easier as they can design in quality rather than trying to repair existing inherited problems. I believe you will see Land Rover moving up the JD Power IQS ratings to the same levels Jaguar has attained.
Dec 21, 2004 (9:13 pm)
You can only expect improvement from whatever Ford imposes on Land Rover, they can't hurt it. They have done nothing but improve Jaguar quality and performance and yet leave them as distinctive and independent in design as ever. Ford will save Land Rover, if anybody can, and make them a respectable marque once again. No, I don't work for Ford Just from what I observed they have done with Aston Martin, Jaguar & Volvo.
#566 of 1002 Re: Is The 2005 Range Rover The Same Old Land Rover? [tincup47]
Dec 22, 2004 (9:52 am)
I apologize if I sound anti-Ford. I am. The cars Ford designs for it's own brand are usually sub-par, and have been for decades. Though credit must be given for their accomplishments with Jaguar.
I am so torn. Logic dictates the purchase of an LX or even an LC for it's well deserved reputation for QC and reliability. My heart (and my ego)longs for the RR for it's ageless beauty and exclusiveness.
Could we form a coalition and demand that Toyota purchase Land Rover ;}
Dec 22, 2004 (10:06 am)
Toyota Land Rover Cruiser is a bit of a mouthful!
#569 of 1002 Re: Is The 2005 Range Rover The Same Old Land Rover? [mgreene]
Dec 22, 2004 (5:52 pm)
"The cars Ford designs for it's own brand are usually sub-par, and have been for decades."
Well, you may not like them, but that generalization is just not correct. If it were, they'd be in the scrap heap like DeSoto, Studebaker, Rambler, Oldsmobile. You think todays Land Rover is better built than todays Ford? You're smokin' something. Again, you may not like them, I don't like to drive them myself, they're plain and rough and often uncomfortable, and noisy, but Ford has changed the course of the Automobile more than once on this planet, more than any other manufacturer on this planet can say, from the Model T, to the Pony Car, to the Taurus, to the SUV, and they may have done it again with the Tall Sedan now. We'll see.
Back on topic, what they have done with their PAG as was formerly stated here, has been nothing short of miraculous - infusing quality, modern design and engineering, style and management into Volvo, Jaguar, and Aston Martin, without putting a single Ford powerplant or transmission under the hood. If anything, you can now find more Volvo parts on my Lincoln, than the reverse. Pretty smart if you ask me. In the process, they just about bankrupted themselves, but Volvo makes good money as does Aston Martin (miraculously). Jaguar and Rover have yet to, but must do so soon and I think they will.
The Rover you buy today will be the BMW design, so if you're still a Fordophobe, you should be ok, but don't plan on a maintenance free relationship with it. The next RR design will be Ford inspired, that one may make a believer out of you - or not. Either way.
#570 of 1002 Re: Is The 2005 Range Rover The Same Old Land Rover? [nvbanker]
Dec 22, 2004 (9:43 pm)
Well I don't believe I am generalizing about Fords, but I guess it can come down to what one views as sub-par. Your question does Land Rover make better built cars than Ford is exactly what is so vexing about Range Rovers. Ford where "bean counters" rule the roost, and every part must be compatible with 5 different models, a substandard car is inevitable and understandable. But the Range Rover is spared no expense from what I see, is widely recognized as the most luxurious SUV in the world, is peerless in it's offroad capabilities, and can match or exceed the finest luxury cars in onroad comfort and ride quality. Why does this magnificent vehicle break so much??? Through some quirk, the sum is actually greater than it's parts.......and in the Range Rovers case, that is not a good thing!
Forgive the rant! How long do you believe it will take Ford to turn the corner with Land Rover?
Do you know of anyone that has purchased an 05 Range Rover and is experiencing a more trouble free ownership? Why do you feel a completely Ford designed Range Rover will make a "believer" of me?
Thank you for your insights
p.s. I don't smoke
#571 of 1002 Great questions - mgreene
Dec 24, 2004 (1:10 am)
1-It may be a few years yet, the new RR is a BMW design, and while not a bad design, all the BMW SUVs have actually been maintenance disasters so far. The X5 is now up to 16 recalls I think. The first improvement going into it will be the the Jaguar engine in 06. Gonna take time.
2- No, not yet.
3- Just from what I've seen them do with Jaguar in the last decade. It's been nothing but positive from a product standpoint.
I don't smoke either, and you are a gentleman. These are merely my observations. YMMV
#572 of 1002 Re: Head Gaskets (#347) [outrigger]
Dec 24, 2004 (4:25 pm)
O:utrigger, people tell me that a used pre-'03 RR is a good car IF you factor in the sure to happen problems with the air bags. Apparently, the best solution is to simply buy an aftermarket coil spring kit for 4K or so.