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paint and swirl marks by bvdj84
Jan 24, 2009 (12:17 pm)
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I love to detail and wax my car! Creating that shine!! Love it! It makes any car look that much more nice.
 
  When I leased a new car last Spring, I later found swirl marks all over the car. I waxed it several times over the summer, using 2 different waxes. It did make the finish shiny, it did tame down the marks, but it seems as though the swirls are etched into the surface. Is my clear coat permanently damaged? I am assuming the car was swirled when the dealer had it washed with their mobile wash system. I found the car had been on the lot for awhile, according to the date on the car.
 
I had bought higher end wax, applicators, and it seems like I cannot get the swirls to go away. I am not sure how to approach this again in the spring. Though I have learned to live with the swirls, but why are they not going away.
 
 I have noticed many new cars that sit on the lot for awhile seem to have more marks, I am not sure why the dealers think they need to use a brush on the car, they are just sitting, just a good detergent and pressure wash it good enough. I have seen expensive cars all marked up.
 
What can be done to get rid of them? I am sure others have had similar problems. There has to be something out there that will help them disappear. Or is it too far gone. Shouldn't the clear coat be fairly pliable?
 
Thanks!
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Re: paint and swirl marks [bvdj84] by tallman1
Jan 24, 2009 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 24, 2009 12:17 pm)

Wax isn't going to get rid of swirl marks. You need a polish for that. There are different grades of polish you can use, depending on how deep the swirl marks/scratches are.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [tallman1] by bvdj84
Jan 24, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: tallman1 (Jan 24, 2009 12:21 pm)

See, I am slowly learning. So perhaps a strong polish will get rid of them?
 
thanks.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [bvdj84] by tallman1
Jan 24, 2009 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 24, 2009 12:25 pm)

So perhaps a strong polish will get rid of them?
 
Depends on how deep the scratches are. The stronger the polish, the more clear coat is removed too. Light swirl marks will come out with a mild polish.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [tallman1] by bvdj84
Jan 24, 2009 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: tallman1 (Jan 24, 2009 12:30 pm)

Well, what kind of polish do people like? Mothers, Zymol, How do I know what grade of polish it is?
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Re: paint and swirl marks [bvdj84] by tallman1
Jan 24, 2009 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 24, 2009 12:33 pm)

That's a great question. The place I buy from has four grades, IIRC. There's a link on my CarSpace page. I'm not sure what stores offer but check out some of the car care places on the web and read the tutorials.
 
There are also folks in the biz that read this forum who know more than I do about the various products out there.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [tallman1] by bigfur
Jan 25, 2009 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: tallman1 (Jan 24, 2009 1:47 pm)

For most fine swirl marks you can use a finish cut. Its a white almost milky looking polish that you can apply by had or in your case id probably use a machine. After using the finish cut you want to go back and use the wax again to protect the paint.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [bigfur] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 25, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: bigfur (Jan 25, 2009 10:01 am)

Hopefully doing this once in a great while is all that will be necessary. No matter how fine the polish, it is still abrasive. Every machine buffing means just a little less topcoat on your car.
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Re: New to the forum. [tankbeans] by obyone
Jan 25, 2009 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: tankbeans (Jan 24, 2009 11:38 am)

Once the clear coat starts to peel there isn't much you can do. The paint will usually follow. A repaint would require stripping the paint down to bare metal (big bucks). Silver somehow seems to deteriorate the fastest for some reason. If the bumper is the only part of the car that's peeling I'd do a repaint.
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Re: paint and swirl marks [bvdj84] by obyone
Jan 25, 2009 (9:28 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 24, 2009 12:17 pm)

It seems the swirls are impossible to eliminate? Using a regular polisher requires skill to polish a car. That's probably what happened at the dealership as an unskilled fella probably did your car. How to fix you ask?
 
You will need a Porter Cable 7424 dual action polisher. The dual action eliminates the worry of burning the paint. That along with some 3M rubbing compound from Checkers and you will be on your way to swirl free nirvana. Those light swirl removers will not work on something that an unskilled prep person left behind. Been there done that.

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