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#6876 of 6895 Re: [safetymatters]
Aug 01, 2012 (3:35 pm)
I just posted ONE of the videos on You Tube. It is titled "2005 Honda Pilot Braking on its own!" Let me know if this is something you can use. Now American Honda keeps pushing back the day that the engineers want to look at my car. First it supposed to be today. I called and they said either first thing next week or at the latest Wednesday of next week. Here is the link:
Aug 01, 2012 (5:11 pm)
Yes. This is good. Are you able to post all of the videos including the one you said you had of the brake pedal not being pushed but you can hear the keys? I really would like to connect you to the Director at NHTSA so they can collect specific information to bolster a recall. If you are not comfortable with this just let me know. Either way I hope you can find my contact info on NHTSA's site. Honda is supposed to provide extensive documents to NHTSA by August 4th. Have you filed a complaint with American Honda? You can do so before they evaluate the car. Just get a case number when you call to have on file. Keep this number handy.
#6878 of 6895 Re: [safetymatters]
Aug 28, 2012 (11:51 am)
Help! I have an 2005 Pilot with a similar issue. Last year I had the Flashing D which stopped after we turned the car off then back on, 6 mos later as I am driving at 55mph the car just stopped. It was taken to the local Honda shop 70 miles from my home and they replaced the 4th gear pressure switch. Yesterday as I am excelerating around 40mph it did it again with the same grinding noise as gill6398 had in his utube video. I have an appointment again with the local shop 70 miles from my home but feel very uncomfortable driving it. I contacted Honda America today and was told that there are not complaints of my type on file. I could not find the info for the NHTSA.
Aug 28, 2012 (12:25 pm)
If your car brakes suddenly by itself then first you must report this to the NHTSA at safercar.gov. (See contact info below.)
NHTSA is presently considering my Petition for a Recall Investigation on 2005 Honda Pilots for involuntarily braking and steering failures. They have posted documents on safercar.gov under Vehicle Owners. Choose tab Defect Investigations. Then type in the NHTSA action number DP12002 and press the orange "Document Search" tab to follow the investigation. My email is posted on the Petition letter there and I can put you in contact with the director of Investigations at NHTSA which is important. Please cotact me. I will hel anyway I can. NHTSA needs to collect all the information they can to produce a Recall Investigation.
You will also find in the document search American Honda’s response dated 8/3/12 to NHTSA confessing they have 87 vehicle owner complaints related to this involuntary braking in their database and 190 filed reports from their dealers of the same.
If anyone else has experienced this with a 2005 Honda Pilot and have not filed a complaint with the National Highway and Transportation Safety Administration, now is the time to do so. They need as much information as possible.
NHTSA Complaints can be filed by phone at 888-327-4236 or online at https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
It is also important to post a complaint with North American Honda Corp. at 800-999-1009 or by mail to:
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Customer Service
1919 Torrance Boulevard
Mail Stop: 500 - 2N - 7A
Torrance, CA 90501-2746
Secondly take the vehicle to an independent mechanic and have them photograph the computer's steering angle and see if the angle changes on its own. If they can reproduce the braking great, if not at least you will have these pics and have them write a short report regarding what they saw.
I would not recommend driving, I would recommend towing it.
Aug 29, 2012 (3:27 pm)
Sorry for the delayed response. I have actually had some positive results from American Honda. I called them to let them know exactly what was going on with my car and stressed the major safety concern. At first it seemed as though they were blowing me off. Then a few hours later I recieved a call from a person from the engineering department saying they had been trying to track me down all day. She said that the engineers down at American Honda in LA wanted to look at my car. I live in Fresno, Ca. which is 6 hours from LA. They ended up flat bedding my Pilot from a local dealership here in town down to American Honda in LA. They paid for a rental car for the two weeks my car was down there. They were able to duplicate the problem and found that the fix was a faulty VSA module. Once this part was switched out they were unable to duplicate the problem again. The dealership detailed my Pilot and had it waiting for me when I got there. Clawson Honda also provided me with paperwork for the work based on what was told to them by American Honda. Knock on wood, but it has been about 3 weeks and I have not had the problem reoccure. I think what did it was the fact that all conversations are recorded when you call American Honda and I was very aggressive when explaining the safety issue and the possibility of someone getting hurt or killed. I also filed a complaint with NHTSA. Listen to what Safety Matters is saying as well. She assisted me all along the way. She has been dealing with this for much much longer than I had.
Oct 15, 2012 (10:16 am)
So I'm new to this whole message board, but our family does have a 2005 Pilot. Needless to say, this is a bit concerning. In the three years we've had the Pilot, we have not had any issues with the brakes (knock on wood), so at this point I'm not sure what exactly to do. Purcharsed the car at Carmax. Do we take it back to them to be serviced? Is there an actual recall in effect that says we shouldn't be driving it until it's fixed?
Thank you all for being on top of it!
#6883 of 6895 Re: procedure? [qwerty12]
Oct 15, 2012 (10:24 am)
Unfortunately there is not a recall yet. However, if you go back and reply to "safetymatters" which is the screen name for a person on here that is leading the charge with this whole ordeal. From what it sounds like, after reading the article posted in the New York Times, there will be a recall coming out probably by the end of the month. You are lucky that you have not had this occur. I actually posted a couple of videos on YouTube with my 05 Pilot braking on its own. You can check that out if you like. Just look up, "05 Honda Pilot Braking On Its Own."
#6884 of 6895 Re: [safetymatters]
Oct 15, 2012 (11:02 am)
Hello, safetymatters. So gill6398 said I might contact you to get the latest info. I saw your post linking the NYT article. Interesting reading, to say the least. At this point, just wondering what to do. Do you have any further knowledge about the potential recall? And how much of a hazard is it to still be driving the car (which we've been doing for three plus years)?
Oct 16, 2012 (6:13 pm)
I apologize for the delayed response. Sometimes the forum does not tag me to let me know there is a new message.
NHTSA has granted the Petition which has taken many long hours of work on their part. It is not a Recall just yet. They will need more investigation, engineering analysis, and the identifiable fix to set in motion a recall. Their investigation has expanded which means Honda is obligated to divulge more information. In their 8/3/12 response, Honda reported they have 87 Pilot owner reports and 193 field/dealer reports of the spontaneous braking. These reports go back to 2005. They were evaluating the spontaneous braking in 2005 and even made changes to the VSA system for the 2006 model. Honda has not just recently become aware of this problem.
It is very important that anyone who experiences the involuntary braking report it to NHTSA.
For now, we have to wait and see what their next move will be.
I can't tell you what to do with your vehicle if it has not begun braking by itself. I can only tell you what I did with my vehicle after the spontaneous braking. No chances taken with it since.