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#8826 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE + Options: price paid and buying experience [wannacamry12]
Dec 23, 2011 (4:52 am)
wannacamry12 and other car buyers - just to make it clear:
"I'm waiting for the models that come with leather and navi without moonroof option but it doesn't come in until mid january at the earliest. "
There is no such official Toyota built car. Toyota does not allow you to get leather without getting the moonroof. What a dealer may do is add leather after the build, (i.e. at their local body shop). You need to research what are the configurations Toyota allows for this model as I have done this intensively, not to "save" the cost of an option I do not want (moonroof) but because I did not want the moonroof at any cost.
I was looking for a fully loaded (incl. blind sport monitoring, safety connect etc) Hybrid XLE but with no moonroof, even offered to pay the price of the moonroof as long as it is not installed. This cannot be done, the General Manager of the dealership went all over, discussing with their regional distributor and Toyota, to check such for me. No can do. He did offer to add leather after I get my base build, at his local body shop (have seen an example of such and it does look nice, though has no variable heating control, only on/off - maybe now they can offer such too).
So if someone promises to get you leather without moonroof it wont be originally built by Toyota. It is Toyota decision to simplify their production and lower costs hence they do not offer pick your list of options at will but certain limitations and option packages only.
I am very happy I did not get the leather. I have testdriven a regular XLE with leather and moonroof. The cloth seats feel much better. Even the GM said that leather is over rated and does not feel good in the summer/winter. Also you will have to take care of leather, it may split and the overall bench feels less comfortable than with the cloth. I do not know why, maybe the padding inside is different (more firm or... to prevent the leather damage from stretching ? ).
I suggest go and get the car and preference (i.e. what is called "special order") one if they cannot find in the all of the USA one that is built as you like without moonroof (I have seen another post from someone in IL who has found such a car and his dealer got it for him - its called trade at port, i.e. no transportation from one dealer lot to yours is involved as long as the car has not yet arrived to the dealer. They have a system where they can "grab" cars being produced before they are shipped to the final dealer and reroute them if needed). If such does not exist, the dealer will be able to preference one of their one allocated cars (the allocation is made by regional distributor to each dealer, e.g. two hybrids XLE) for which such a dealer can decide different colors or options, as long as these are within the constrains of what is allowed with what options from Toyota.
Probably your dealer is waiting for their new allocation and will get a car without moonroof and without leather and will add leather locally. You need to check if this is the case and if you really want a locally added leather. You can always drive the car as is and add leather latter if you want.
I was not able to buy a car for 21 years which I had the old car first bought from a dealer. So I can tell you stories about my experience through the years (every 5-6 years have attempted to buy a car). But not as in the past, where I physically went to dealers, and was first looking to choose the car I want, this time I was using the internet trying to choose the dealer first. Before choosing the car. Once I was able to decide on reasonable dealers (I end up with 3 finalists for me, out of 40-50) out of my internet/phone/email/ and various other ways (checking reputation etc), then I looked at which car to buy from these.
So this was between a VW Passat TDI, Altima, and the Camry. This was back in June and I was waiting for the new Passat and the new Camry (based on the rumors only) to only make the decision now after test driving these.
In term of price: I know what are the going on prices having researched them. I did not pay the loest, actually the dealer charged me at least $500 over the going on prices around this area per truecar, which were for invoice. In addition, truecar charges $300 per deal made through them, from the dealers, so I have read. I have seen others buying same model of car and options as I did few $100s lower than invoice. Also I read that some offer to sell any Camry at $500 to $1000 lower than invoice (not going through truecar fixed pricing so they do save the $300 commission). The General Manager told me that he asks customers to pay $1000 over invoice if the contact is through Internet. While I have not negotiated with him, I pointed him to others whom bought cars cheaper, and suggested he may be pricing himself out of the market in those cases buyers shop for price only (not me).
He did give me a fair price for my old 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix LE... $375 as you have seen. Even if I could sell it for $500 lets say (needed tuneup and repairs, though my oil change person always was asking if I sell it to him), it is fine as it saves the trouble to deal with selling the car.
Since you hate to pay of options you do not want, be also aware that during the sell process, you may be pressured to buy extra services and add ons, while closing the paperwork at the Finance manager or finance person office, even if you pay cash (such as I have). No need to decide on the spot on these unless you have the info and you want them be included into your lease or finance price (then you need do it there so to finance it together with the car). But, you maybe paying way higher than market price (i.e. internet for extended warranty) and you need to know what you get and if really you want it (lots of very small print involved in these additions). It seems to me these are a source of substantial profit for the dealership. Nothing wrong with it of course, I appreciate people who try to make a living, but you just need to be prepared and know you do not have to take these extras then, can take them latter on and probably at better price if you wish.
Finally, I think this is best time to buy, not January. That is because all car companies and dealers are in a race to show they are at the first place in sales of their cars/models for the year. If Toyota will lose such, they will have an additional PR hit in the eyes of buyers. Hence I think dealers and Toyota, are making special efforts to close the year at as many cars sold as possible. This may not be the case in Jan. Note that while there are no rebates offered for Camry Hybrid XLE, the dealers maybe getting all type of bonuses to meat quota from Toyota. Car selling is very complex business. I prefer to get my discount not through a rebate but through such indirect dealer bonuses, as such discount will go before tax (i.e. reduce tax
#8827 of 10203 Re: 7 year /100k warranty [k111]
Dec 24, 2011 (12:24 pm)
Should be less than 1000.. approx 700-800 is a good price
#8828 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry LE [mattynj]
Dec 24, 2011 (12:38 pm)
I'm Curious, Does your price not include the destination charge and that AD fee they like to mention? seems very low seeing that invoice is about 21800, I believe, without the added mats and power seat. best trucar value here for Dealer Cost is 21361. best price I get is 21900, so far. but I get the college grad 1000 off then
#8829 of 10203 Re: 7 year /100k warranty [k111]
Dec 24, 2011 (12:44 pm)
Team Toyota Mall of Georgia in Buford includes a lifetime warranty with new Toyota purchases at no extra charge. It requires that one maintain the car per Toyota recommended maintenance schedule and that maintenance be documented. The same is true for the adjacent Hyundai Mall of Georgia dealership for new Hyundai purchases.
#8830 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE + Options: price paid and buying experience [blk_in_sf]
Dec 24, 2011 (10:17 pm)
Well apparently I got hosed then as I just purchased some extended warranties from Libertyville Toyota in IL - Toyota extra care platinum was quoted at $2,050 for 7 years 100k miles which I purchased. You stated you paid $999 for the same thing. She said she would discount it $100 with a coupon but looking at the paperwork - she never did. (Finance person) so I have to call them about that. Got the 5 year 55k mile VCP Toyota wrap - was told that added to the two years for a total of 7 years. (lube oil filter tire rotation after complimentary 2yr) Also got tire and wheel protection (road damage and unlimited balancing) for 5 years for $349. Purchased a fully loaded xle for $32,300 less $800 trade $31,500 the other day. They showed me msrp being $34,705 and invoice being $32,235.4 (after adding on something they call TDA (described to me as Toyota advertising allowance) of $488 which interestingly is not on the MSRP side) But looking at other posts here - looks like that should have been the price I should have gotten outright - so essentially they gave me nothing for my trade. So I'm ticked and going back on Monday to see if they can give me $800 more or if not I kill the deal. I had a acura rl 1998 gps magazine condition body and interior 1998 Acura RL premium with navigation but it needed ball joints, had a couple bent rims, needed new brakes and brake fluid. Cost to repair from NTB was about $3,100 so decided to trade since my retail I'd get for it would probably be about 4k as the odometer light was out. Only had 166k miles on it though. 6 cd changer, moon roof, nav, heated leather seats and premium package. too bad it only got 20mpg or I'd have fixed and kept but it took premium gas and you could watch the needle drop..
Dec 24, 2011 (10:21 pm)
Should be "good" versus. "Gps magazine".... What I get for typing on an iPad
#8832 of 10203 Re: 7 year /100k warranty [k111]
Dec 24, 2011 (10:27 pm)
Quote I got for that at Libertville Toyota in Chicago area was $2050 which I purchased. Apparently at $550 more than you and $1051 more than the other guy. Platinum plan for Camry xle
#8833 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE + Options: price paid and buying experience [camryxleowner]
Dec 25, 2011 (6:57 pm)
I think the planets aligned and I just had luck on my side when I got the 7yr/100k plat plan for $999. The salesman started at $2900 and went down to $1999 before I went to finance. I really was not interested in the plan, but the finance guy said "what would it take to purchase the plan today". Not really caring if I got it, I said I would love to call my wife and say I got it for $999. He left the room and came back about 2 min later and said I should call my wife and tell her the good news....As I said, I just never thought they would let it go for that, so I think it was just stupid luck and I was in the right place at the right time...He did say at $999 it was about $100 above their cost, so they are still making money on all of us.....
Good Luck on Monday
#8834 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE + Options: price paid and buying experience [camryxleowner]
Dec 26, 2011 (5:14 pm)
I believe that you can cancel an extended warranty within 30 days of purchase. You might want to look into canceling it if you believe you were overcharged.
#8835 of 10203 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid XLE + Options: price paid and buying experience [camryhybrid12]
Dec 27, 2011 (5:30 am)
Cloth versus leather: I actually prefer the feel of cloth, but my wife and sister assure me that sliding into the seat in a dress is much smoother on leather than on cloth.