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help with buying a camry se 4cyl, trading in a lease of a negative value by sam187st
Sep 10, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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it gets pretty complicated but i will try to only put the information i think is needed.
 
my friend has to get some one off his current lease contract(reason unknown), which i was told is not possible. it is a 07 jeep commander v6 in excellent condition. his payoff on it is roughly 19,700 with 14 months left on the lease. the dealer offered him 15k for it as a trade in, so he is already going into this deal upside down -$4700
 
 now, the car he was looking to finance ( he doesn't want to lease again) is a 2010 Camry se w/ sunroof and 16' aluminum rims and i think the sport package, im not sure... but i think thats about it.
 
so after a few days of trying to bring the price of the car down, and the offer for the trade in up, the numbers are looking something like this
 
trade in negative $4700
 
camery se 4 cyl, auto, with 16' aluminum rims, sun roof ( possible sport package?) including destination charge and the other stuff beside tax tittle etc... $25,100
 
he is not putting any money down and they are giving him 9% apr 72 months, his monthly payment was quoted to be $593.00
 
i dont know what to think of this deal, especially because of the trade in with negative equity.
 
on 1 hand i think it is ok, because
 
#1 he is not putting any money down
#2 he is getting out of a gas guzzler and into something much cheaper to fill up( some savings right there)
#3 i dont know if he could get a better offer on his jeep, or is 15k a bad offer?kbb has it at 16k for trade in
#4his credit is pretty much shot, and his co signer is barely pushing 670 fico, so i dont know if the 9% apr is good or bad for his situation, (im guessing 9% is as good as it will get)i could very well be wrong
#5 probably his most important reason, he needs to get out of the lease to remove someone, asap.
 
but on the other hand
 
#1 if it were me i would not pay $25,100 for that car, but i do know dealers like to do some sort of seesaw when it comes to buying your trade in, than selling you a car, like they will give you a "good" price on your trade in, than try to kill you on the price of the car, or vise versa
 
#2 i dont know if i would obligate myself to a 72 month term of 9% apr
 
but that is just me, his options are limited, is this the best deal he can get?
 
is this deal good, bad or mediocre?
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Premium Coverage, worth it? by chris789
Sep 10, 2009 (7:34 pm)
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When I got my car I purchased the Premium Coverage which can be canceled within 60 days. It includes the oil changes at 5,000 miles and the 15,000 30,000 45,000 services. They said it was a $2500 value and I got it for $1395. Yesterday I called different dealers asking how much oil changes ($40 each), 15,000 ($97), 30,000 ($450), 45,000 ($200). I came to approx $1300 (includes tax) which is pretty much break even. Oh it also comes with road side assitance but I already have AAA. Seems like I could leave this money in the bank until I need it and could go to a mechanic besides toyota.
 
Is this coverage worth it or would I be better of canceling it?
 
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: help with buying a camry se 4cyl, trading in a lease of a negative value [sam187st] by doubles3
Sep 11, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: sam187st (Sep 10, 2009 6:02 pm)

I think it is a very good deal for someone who has no money nor pays any attention to value. At the end he is getting new car. If he cared about digging himself out of financial hole, he would look at the used car market.
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Re: Premium Coverage, worth it? [chris789] by doubles3
Sep 11, 2009 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: chris789 (Sep 10, 2009 7:34 pm)

It is a waste of money. The 15K 30K... IMO are dealer recommended services which bring little value. They seem to push them pretty hard every time I go for oil change, which I always decline. I really do not want to pay someone $300 to change oil and kick tires aroudn ... For the warranty purposes all you need is to change oil on time. Over years my 3 Toyotas, I never went for any of this services and never bought extended warranty. I usually keep my cars 9-10 years.
 
However, at the end if it makes you feel "better", go for it.
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Re: help with buying a camry se 4cyl, trading in a lease of a negative value [doubles3] by sam187st
Sep 11, 2009 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: doubles3 (Sep 11, 2009 7:21 am)

the reason for him getting needing to get out of his lease is not so much a financial one. i don't know why you would assume he does not pay attention to value?
 
 he has went to a few used car dealers, none of which were giving him a decent offer on his jeep, but besides all that, what exactly in this deal looks enticing to you?
 
do you like the price on the car of $25,100?
 
do you like the apr of 9%
 
do you like the negative trade in offer of $15,000-$19,700=$4,700
 
do you like the no money down part?
 
can you please elaborate on your reply, because all i under stood in your post was, i think this is a good deal for a fool with no money.
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Re: help with buying a camry se 4cyl, trading in a lease of a negative value [sam187st] by doubles3
Sep 11, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: sam187st (Sep 11, 2009 8:03 am)

Well, if someone needs to have their loan cosigned by another person with 670 Fico, it implies financial trouble.
 
I just don't like when people buy expensive stuff with no money down (i.e. no vested interest) and than are surprised that at some point later they own more money than it is worth and looking for way out.
 
Personally, If I was him, I would trade in my jeep for a used car 2-3 year old and let someone else eat the 20% depriciation on first year.
 
None of the items you listed would be acceptable to me. Yet, your friend may find them totally acceptable.
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Re: Premium Coverage, worth it? [doubles3] by mcdawgg
Sep 11, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: doubles3 (Sep 11, 2009 7:25 am)

I completely agree. I never go back to the dealer for maintenance, not even for oil changes. But I follow the maintenance guide that comes with the car and keep documentation for the work that I do, like oil changes, etc. That way, my warranty is valid and I save big $. On the newer Toyotas, there is very little maintenance required. I also do not buy the extended warranty, and I keep mine about 10 years. The extended warranty never would have paid off on any of my Toyotas.
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Re: help with buying a camry se 4cyl, trading in a lease of a negative value [doubles3] by sam187st
Sep 11, 2009 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: doubles3 (Sep 11, 2009 8:20 am)

credit trouble and cash flow are two separate entities, people with money can have bad credit for many different reasons, just like some people have no money but good credit....
 
he was trying to get him self into a used car, he was looking at exactly what you had suggested 2-3 year old ones, but for whatever reasons he could not come to terms with them, than he tried a new car dealer and got the above what i posted.
 
his new payment of $600 would be a little north of $100 he paid monthly for his jeep, im not defending any of his decisions or saying they were the correct ones but his situation is atypical.
 
i guess what i really want to know are the following-
 
what is a "good" price on that car
 
what would be a good offer for his jeep, a real one that a dealer would give you, after getting the "good" price on the camry
 
where does this 9% apr stand, along the terms of his credit being bad, besides the 2 new cars he had bought never being late, with a co signer with a 670 fico
 
the reason he doesn't put any money down is a different thing all together, but i don't think it has any baring....
 
with the negative equity and the price of the car after taxes etc.... im assuming the car is now about 31k 9% apr for 72 months, is 600 a reasonable monthly payment, taking into account that there will be no money put down?
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Re: Premium Coverage, worth it? [chris789] by petras2
Sep 12, 2009 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: chris789 (Sep 10, 2009 7:34 pm)

I recommend cancelling...all that stuff you're buying is a BIG rip off and a big profit generator for the dealer..just follow the factory owner's manual re oil changes, etc and keep the receipts..that way you'll be covered if your car needs warranty repairs..
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Help deciding 2009 or 2010 by danjacqui
Sep 13, 2009 (8:02 am)
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I can get a used certified 2009 Camry LE (AT) for $18500 at my local dealer. It has about 10K miles and come with the extended 100,000 miles or 7-year/ warranty.
 
OR
 
the Brand new 2010 Camry LE (AT) for $22000.
 
The extended warranty draws me towards the used 2009. What do you think is the better buy? Thanks

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