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Replying to: wveco (Sep 02, 2006 10:56 pm) Sorry I didn't notice your post earlier. I'm in Jane Lew. I bought the first one at Buckhannon Auto Mall. They treated me well (but then again I bought 5 cars off of then in the last year). I've never had much luck at Cava's and the former owner in Fairmont. I could have dealt in Charleston where I have bought several Toyotas but I wanted to buy local if treated righ. They wanted my business and I wanted a TCH before the June 5th deadline for the WV Tax Credit ($3750) But what is "real" city driving? Is driving around little 'ole Buckhannon at 25-35 mph "real" city driving? Any insights based on your TCH experience driving in central WV? We don't have "real" city driving around here like some of the areas discussed on this forum. We have highway and rural 55 mph roads. Driving from Jane Lew to Buckhannon I get 38 mpg over to Lowes but by the time I'm back home I'm at 42 mpg (Buckhannon Mountain really helps that) I'm averaging 39 mpg over almost 11,000 miles but I work at it. I wouldn't think less than 36 would be possible in our area unless you're doing a lot of 5 mile commuting daily. Driving around Weston is almost all battery if I work at it and the back roads around Jacksons Mill are 46+ (my high is 57 on a 15 mile loop) I have a 4Runner as well and if the HH will tow 3500# I may consider trading at some point. 25 mpg does not justify trading but if I were reconsidering I would have bought the HH. I don't put a lot of miles on the 4Runner. I like the new RAV4 and for resale and overall cost to own and utility it's hard to beat. I'm trying real hard to get my company to get me an Escape Hybrid for my new company vehicle (they won't buy a "foreign" brand name). Jenkins has a nice looking Blue one in their showroom. It's not a HH though as far as comfort. |
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I may be wrong but I can't, for the life of me, see why anyone would pay near list or list much less anything over list. A deal is when you get a good price for the car you want. If people stopped paying these rediculous prices you would see the prices drop in a heart beat. This is just my humble opinion.
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Replying to: moondog4 (Sep 06, 2006 7:51 pm) Moondog, I think you answer your own question. Whether a deal is good or not has nothing to do with MSRP or invoice. When you buy a house, do you ask what the previous owner bought the house for? I don't think anyone care. But for whatever reason, we get very emotional about what a dealer may be making. A good deal really is just the best price one can get within a reasonable distance. For people in LA, there seems to be a lot of dealers and they will certain get better deal that it is hard to match. For people who live in a town with only one dealer, the deal will suck unless he/she shop in one of the bigger town near by. If a dealer is desperate to move their inventory, they will sell their car below invoice. If a car is hot and they have buyers line up, why should they sell less than the top price that they can get??? Isn't that how capitalism work? And if we value our money, we would wait for price to go down before buying. For other who has money and want to be the first kid in the block to own the best toy in town, they will pay top dollars. Right now Accord is pretty much below invoice in California. Wonder why Honda dealer need to discount it so much and should we cry for them (no, I won't)?? |
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Replying to: moondog4 (Sep 06, 2006 7:51 pm) So instead of a loaded TCH at $30,589 with no discount you'd consider my $48,000 Expedition with a $12,000 rebate and discount as a "better" deal? Supply and demand determine market price. My friend just paid $23,000 for a Hyundai because he got a "deal". I got the TCH witha total of $6300+ in state and federal tax credits and I will have less than $24,000 in my TCH. Who got the better deal? Answer: Both of us got the deal we wanted. However we both agree I got a good deal and only he thinks he got a good deal. |
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I found out that you can get a navigation on a base TCH like the one I am negotiating, as it is easy for the dealer will not have to do all the add-ons at the port... below is a sale price for a 2007 TCH: >Options: > >Heated Outside Mirrors >Navigation >Carpet Mats >Mud Guards > >Out the door Price: > >MSRP: $28,163.58 >Discount: 878.00 > >Selling Price: 27,285.58 > >Tax 818.57 >Doc. Fee 399.00 >Title Fee 49.00 >Tag Fee 68.00 >Inspection 9.30 > >Total $28,629.45 Is it a good deal (no factory leather or moon roof, just a plain TCH with NAV and heated mirrors from factory) ??? |
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Not bad -- because you got stuck paying doc fees -- you got the TCH for MSRP minus $479 -- Not bad -- actually pretty good. Never -- EVER -- EVER get stuck paying those excessive doc fees..... |
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MSRP $30,589.00 Discount $500.00 Purchase Price $30,089 DOC FEE $49.00 PLATES & TITLE WORK+Taxes $71.95 Fed Tax Credit $2600 WV State Tax Credit $3750 (over 3 years) My taxes were low because I traded "even" and in WV you only pay on the difference.
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You are comparing apples and elephants. If you pay $30500 for a TCH and I pay $29000 for the SAME car- then who got the better deal. It is true that the market sets the price but who is the market (you and everyone else). If the market resists then the price seeks the level of the market- just like water seeks its own level - Moondog4
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In a recent Consumer Reports report they discussed the value of a hybrid and when I read it I was supprised to see many of the benefits evaporate. They say that the premium that is paid for a hybrid is not offset by the cost of fuel, mileage difference, increase in Insurance, expected depreciation and cost of repairs because of the dual power system. As for the government tax breaks - you have to qualify for them , those tax breaks come with a lot of hooks on them. The market will change considerably as the competition heats up and the prices will drop on these cars.
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