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#1862 of 1950 My reason for never driving another Aviator...
Jan 02, 2008 (1:14 pm)
One Feb. 17 of 2003 my husband presented me with the most expensive birthday gift I've ever received. A new Lincoln Aviator. It is a beautiful car but once you get past the look of it - you have nothing but trouble. These are things a non-mechanical female can tell you about our experience:
93,000 miles - on the 3rd set of tires (all purchased from the dealer)
On the 2nd set of brakes - almost time for a 3rd set
When braking, the steering wheel vibrates and I wonder at times if it's going to stop me in time
The car tries to stall when idling, tries to keep going when I try to stop because the RPM's go to over 2,500 when braking these days. The check engine light started out flashing. Now it stays on as a solid light. Fortunately, the info I read in this forum has the dealer paying for our 2nd set of coil packs THANK YOU!!
My door ajar warning comes on and stays on - even after I check and double check all the doors. This happens about 25% of the time.
The motor to the A/C unit went out and had to be replaced by the dealer. This happened when the car was 5,000 miles out of warranty coverage.
The rear air constantly clicks, clicks, clicks ALL the time. It doesn't matter if it's off or on. You drive down the road and all you hear is click, click, click.
The CD player will not eject the #6 CD. Fortunately, it's one I like
So, here I am driving down the road in my $50,000.00 car with the check engine light on, door ajar flashing on the dash, click, click, click coming from the rear, brakes failing, listening to CD #6....maybe I need a nice tall cliff? LOL
There is some good news though: After $2,000 more in payments, it will be all mine. The bank will be paid off. Me? I'm now stuck with the prettiest, most expensive gift I've ever received and wish I was driving a Honda Accord (the former most expensive vehicle I ever owned). I had that car for 180,000 miles. I maintained it properly (as I have the Aviator) yet the Accord only cost me one timing belt and water pump at 95,000 miles in repairs. These parts weren't messed up, I replaced them based on Honda's guidelines.
I hope some of you can get some good out of my funky post and if anyone knows a solution to the click, click, click coming from the seldom used rear A/C or the "door ajar" warning light, please let me know.
I'm being a good girl and trying to be nice as possible and to keep my sense of humor about this whole situation. My advice: Find a different luxury SUV to buy and never buy a new vehicle within it's first two years of production.
You know....my birthday is next month.......hmmm, can anyone say "trade-in"?
#1863 of 1950 Re: My reason for never driving another Aviator... [atvmudrat]
Jan 02, 2008 (1:46 pm)
I enjoyed your post and can empathize a bit. I came within an inch of buying a new 2004 Aviator, but changed my mind at the last minute cause it was just too small for the family. Ended up with a Navigator and so far so good, though only 45000 miles. Ran out of warrantee last Saturday - and the cruise control stopped working on Monday. Shades of things to come? Thankfully I purchased a Ford maintenance plan the week before so I'm covered til 75000. (Oh, BTW, I recently had the dealer replace my radio unit - cause it wouldn't eject CD #6 ! )
Good u've kept your sense of humor thru this. I've read here many horror stories about the Aviator, including one where the wrong drive train had been installed at the factory! I also had an Aviator as a loaner once and found that the heater design was absolute grade-school. Not only did the auto-HVAC not work properly, but the only way to get heat out of the thing was thru the floor vents - and one of them blew directly on my foot on the accelerator so I couldn't stand that very long and ... well, it IS a beautiful vehicle inside and out. But it is a terrible shame the thing ever saw the light of day, based on many reports I've read of it. It was just not ready for prime time and probably never would be. It is a glaring example of what is wrong with Lincoln (Ford) - NO foresight, NO support of existing designs, HURRIED release of inferior vehicles (Blackwood, Aviator, Mark LT, Zephyr, ...) when a need arises, and apparently a continuing slide into the depths of poor reliability and a growing list of people who will "never buy another Lincoln (Ford etc)". I am NOT one of those people. Yet. I own 2 Lincolns right now and both have thus far been quite good vehicles. THough not in the class of a 180,000 accord with miniscule maintenance issues.
As for your specifics, there I need to take you to task a bit - 93000 miles on third set of tires is about right for a vehicle like this. I just put my 2nd set on my Nav at 44,000 which puts me in my 3rd set at 88,000. I dont think this is a valid complaint. Ditto the brakes. In fact, only having to replace the brakes once by 93000 miles is quite good. I'm betting you replaced the brakes and tires on your Honda a couple of times as well? Also, the vibrating of the steering wheel when braking is almost surely the sign that it IS time to replace the front brakes - or at least the rotors - they're probably warped a bit and causing the vibrating. A big truck-based SUV like this is going to go thru brakes and tires faster that a light weight sedan like an accord. Those are just the facts, Ma'am! That said though, it is apparent to me that Ford is selling vehicles with the worst brakes of anyone. This can be seen in the almost always LAST place showing for braking wheneve a Ford product is compared against competitors - and the fact that you are far from the first I've heard complain about how frequently Ford brakes wear out. You would think a company that has lost so much money to lawsuits would at least try to make their vehicles able to stop well.
As for the clicking - got me on that one, though my bet would be it's a simple fix - like a sticking 'blend door'. I think I've read of others complaining about similar thing in these parts before though - either here or in the Navigator forum. The door ajar is most likely a sticky switch in one of the doors. Again, cheap as a spray can of WD-40 or something to fix, though first you gotta find the sticky one.
Feb 17th is coming up soon Got your eye on anything? Have you heard of the new Lincoln MKX? HAHAHAHAHAHA
If u dont need an SUV, it's probably time to strike an accord with your husband as to what you'd like this time around:>) Best wishes to you.
#1864 of 1950 Re: nav question [330junkie]
Jan 21, 2008 (10:04 pm)
hey did you ever install that navigation system into your aviator? I was about to buy one over the web till i stubled upon this site. I have the regular six cd changer but would like to put the factory gps.SO its not as easy as swaping it out. Let me Know if you hear anything. preciate it.
#1865 of 1950 Re: My reason for never driving another Aviator... [jeyhoe]
Jan 22, 2008 (6:52 am)
Thanks for your friendly response Well....the dealer ended up not replacing the coil packs. They said the computer was showing something else. It's strange though because the computer told our local mechanic is was the coil packs a few days before.
For some reason, my brakes are working better now My husband gave the service manager a list of all the problems we had with this vehicle and now the brakes aren't "bumpy" when we apply them. Maybe they did an adjustment they didn't charge us for? In the past when we had brakes put on the Aviator, they vibrated right away. This has been a constant thing since we left the lot with the car. It feels like I have dinky little brakes that would be better suited stopping an itty bitty car instead of an SUV. I just hope they keep on stopping me
The "door ajar" warning light isn't coming on now either. Maybe they cleaned the sensor thingy.
I stated the wrong total of brake jobs my car had in the original post. My husband said we are about to need our 4th. Boo Hoo.
You are right about the Honda I owned needing brakes. I can't remember how many times I replaced them but it seems like it was 3 or 4. Plus, it had to have tires but not too often. I don't really understand why some cars/trucks need brakes more often than others....my husband drives a 2001 Chevrolet Silverado 4-Wheel Drive HD with an extra cab. He has 92,000 miles and is still on his original factory brakes. I wish those kind of brakes had been on my Aviator
I guess my main thought is...shouldn't a car that costs $50,000 have less mechanical problems than one that costs $20,000 I guess the familiar phrase "You get what you pay for" doesn't apply to the Aviator.
Best wishes to you with the Navigator. That's a *NICE* car!
#1866 of 1950 Re: My reason for never driving another Aviator... [atvmudrat]
Jan 22, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Yeah, thanks the Nav is a real nice ride.
Glad to hear things are working out a little bit better now. I would be surprised if the dealer actually did anything and didn't tell you or charge you or both. But who knows? One thing I've pretty much learned is the dealer and their service dept make a HUGE difference in the happiness of the owner - whether the car is a gem or a lem(on). Eg: My Nav on delivery had a driver door inside latch that was sticking out quite a bit and it was so close to actually opeining the door with just a slight touch that it was dangerous. I took it to the dealer where I had just bought the thing for over 50 $Large. The GD tech gets a micrometer and measures how far the handle sticks out and says "within spec. Next?" I flipped but they wouldn't do anything else. Took it to another dealer 30 miles away. They spent 10 minutes taking the door panel off and found that a screw under the handle had not been properly installed at the factory. They fixed it, handle lies perfect now and I personally told off the service dept mgr and owner of the dealer where I bought the thing and havent been back since.
Anyway, 4 brake jobs is way too many at 92000 miles on just about any vehicle. Unfortunately, I'm not that surprised. My Nav needed front brakes and rotors once already (though most of the cost was warrantee) and I just had the rear brakes done last month, at 45,000. These ARE BIG heavy vehicles, but brakes do come in BIG sizes so you'd think Ford would put the appropriate ones in, but NOOOOOO. IMHO, they do this on most of their vehicles and like I said, it shows in performance numbers and in owners maintenance logs. And it's not just the SUVs as a good friend had a Taurus wagon whose brakes would need replacing oftener than 20,000miles. Pathetic. The new Lincoln MKX and Ford Edge are good examples - vehicles that mean the world to the comapny and magazine tests show they need 10 to 30 feet further to stop than equivalent competitors. Is THIS one of Ford's better ideas?
As to your last question, I can pretty much say the answer is NO. All else equal, the $50,000 vehicle is going to have bells and whistles and electronics etc etc that will fail more often than a smaller, cheaper car. Engine, tranny and brakes have to work that much harder too. So it's not surprising at all that an Aviator would cost a lot more to maintain than an Accord. I have little doubt that a Honda Pilot would cost more in maint than the Acoord as well. THough maybe less than the Aviator.
So are u up for new wheels? THere's so much to like out there right now.
Best to you.
Feb 01, 2008 (1:01 pm)
Greetings - new to the board. Have a 2004 Aviator I bought off lease a few months ago. Just back from the dealer today to find out why the vehicle is behaving badly. When driving, let's say 60mph, and you lift off the throttle, the ECU holds the engine rpm up around 2,000 so the truck tends never to slow down. If you put the selector in neutral you can watch the rpm's hold around 2,000 till the vehicle runs out of momentum and slows. Only as the vehicle slows (in neutral) does the rpm's come down back to idle. Calls to Dearborn engineering resulted in "it's designed that way"...
Anybody else having this problem/situation? Really pissing me off - I put the truck in neutral or turn off the ignition when going down a hill or preparing to stop just to stop that engine from pulling it...
#1868 of 1950 Sad about drop in value of my Aviator
Jul 16, 2008 (1:52 pm)
It would be silly of us to sell our Aviator, I do love it, but my gosh has the value of it dropped. I have the 2005 & with the high gas prices I guess it's worth more to me to keep it than to trade it in or sell. What a bummer.
#1869 of 1950 Re: Sad about drop in value of my Aviator [themishelle]
Jul 16, 2008 (3:53 pm)
I'm in the same boat with my Navigator. I have resigned myself to the fact that it's a real nice ride. Selling at a big loss and buying something that gets better mpg is just too expensive and would take a decade to pay off. I'm just kicking back and enjoying it and swearing at the politicians who've done this to us each time I visit a gas station.
#1870 of 1950 Re: Sad about drop in value of my Aviator [themishelle]
Jul 23, 2008 (6:52 pm)
i spent lots of time trying to figure out how i could afford an aviator. i have an '02 explorer it runs great and i let my kids drive it now. my problem is i want my damn lincoln. i bought a fusion 4 months ago, but the aviator prices are making me think about swapping out the fusion.
#1871 of 1950 Re: Sad about drop in value of my Aviator [explorerx4]
Jul 23, 2008 (6:59 pm)
The Aviator is a beautiful vehicle. But it was not without problems, to put it mildly. The Navigator is actually a more reliable vehicle. And bigger. And rides probably better and handles darn near as well. Just be careful out there. Course at today's prices and with an extended warrantee, an Aviator might be a steal. Isn't there an old adage that says "When everyone else is selling, it might be a good time to buy." Or something like that.
Gas predicted to be $1.00/gallon lower by Labor day makes it even more attractive.