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#936 of 1934 Re: Dust Covers [bginsberg1]
Jan 03, 2005 (1:01 pm)
The Ford Expeition brake pads were changed to some ceramic version at Job 2 date (say around 12/04) for the 2005 Expedition models. Local Ford dealer shop manager says the downside of the new ceramic pads is more brake noise. He said Ford would not replace mine with the cermaic type at no charge. At least one Edmunds post earlier said the Ford dealer replaced his pads with Ford Job 2 ceramic pads under warranty on his Exp.
Assume rotors are the same spec for both ceramic and non-ceramic 2004 Expedition? Anyone know for sure about the rotors? If so, 2003 and early 2004 Expy owners can at least consider ceramic pads next time if Ford will not/does not replace now under warranty.
Also note that 04 Job 2 gives the double core radiator again in 5.4L Expedition with H/D trailer tow package after the double core being absent a clouple of years in H/D T/T package
Jan 03, 2005 (8:24 pm)
Your information on the ceramic brake pads appears to be off a bit fx4. Ford had switched over to the new ceramics by April of 04 as this was when my 2004 went into production with those very pads on it. In my opinion ceramics have two advantages over metalic, 1.) Noise is DEFINATELY reduced (I can attest to this). 2.) Brake dust is SIGNIFICANTLY lessened. That isn't to say the dusting is gone, just reduced. The dust my 04 throws off is grey in color and much less noticable. I just switched our 01 Escape over to ceramics for both of those reasons.
I haven't a clue about the rotor spec, but the stock rotors are pretty soft. At 43,000 they had to be replaced on the Escape.
#938 of 1934 Re: Ceramics [tourguide]
Jan 04, 2005 (9:50 am)
I had my Expediton model years of 2003 and early 2004 correct, but I was one calendar year off in the opening paragraph.
I got the ceramic pads date off the Job 2 Ford Ordering Guide which would have published somewhere around Nov, Dec 03. They could have been available later in 2004?
It got the information about more noise with Ford ceramic pads on Expedition directly from the local Ford dealer's shop and parts manager. ?
Great experience with aftermarket ceramic pads on our daughter's 97 T/Bird. Price being the only drawback. Shaky brakes of that vintage Bird completely eliminated with ceramic pads and new rotors (no change after many miles history).
My 2004 Expedition NBX was built in mid October 2003 and came with the older non-ceramic pads. Unit still has lots of general braking for heavy Expedition, great tow and panic braking.
P.s. I wanted to get a Job 2 2004 NBX to get ceramic brake pads and dual core radiator with T/T package, but went with early year version to get the 2nd row captains chairs on the one black 2004 NBX I found nearby. These $530 "captains' chairs" turned out to be nothing more than the outside regular seats with armrests (too low for adults)and deleted center seat. This 2nd row arrangement does give additional floor space in the Expedition and provides easy access to third row seats. This 2nd row "option" should be a credit or no cost option instead of a $530 rip off.
#939 of 1934 2nd row seats
Jan 04, 2005 (10:46 am)
I too looked for the second row seat option before purchasing my 03 Expedition. Couldn't find one at the time, so bought one with the standard 2nd row seats. I took out my center seat in the 2nd row and the set up works just fine. Of course I don't have the "Inboard" armrests, but no one has complained as of yet. Also, I have the "old style" brake pads that have worked very well. Of course there is a dust issue, but I have 60+ thousand miles (mostly highway of course) and still have about half of the brake life left. I too had the "door ajar" issue (about 8 months ago), but in my case used WD40 and have had no re-occurence yet. One thing I wish Ford would do is to contain ALL seat belts within the seats. I notice the 2nd and 3rd row center seats have that set-up. Why not the others??
#940 of 1934 Re: Ceramics and seats [fx4]
Jan 04, 2005 (5:05 pm)
It's funny you should mention that your Ford Dealer said that about the noise of ceramic pads because mine told me the exact same thing I said about the noise being reduced. Why they are telling you this is a mystery to me. Perhaps they have a vested interest in influencing people's opinions to the negative on ceramic pads? It would certainly be a way for them to avoid having to pay for replacing all those pads for "customer satisfaction" reasons. I drove on metalic pads for years before this vehicle and there was always a chance that the squeak would be there, because of the weathering over time. Ceramics don't weather as there is nothing to oxidize, save for minimal amounts of carbon on braking.
About the seats - yeah I agree with you there. I'm not super thrilled about those either. In my opinion the Explorer has a better second row seating setup with the quad-bucket seating option. Ahh well. At least I'm behind the wheel.
#941 of 1934 Re: Slow Turn Grind/Bind [tmetz]
Jan 04, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Had a similar problem on my 04 Exp built in Nov 03. Vibrating grind on startup/turn; Mine only happened before warmup of a few miles driving. Changeout of the rear limited slip clutches fixed it. If the service rep. doesn't want to help, go back to your salesman. There is a friction modifier that can be added to the fluid that also may fix it.
#942 of 1934 About those Ford Expeditions and Brake Dust
Jan 05, 2005 (7:56 pm)
Ok, here is the scoop on the Expeditions and the brake dust problems. I have researched this and talked to several Mechanics. My Ford Dealership tried to charge me about 700 to 800 dollars. But I have a local brake shop that is only charging me for the Pads and Labor which was much cheaper by far. But here is the solution: The pads that come on the expedition are semi metalic. The solution is to replace them with a "True Ceramic" Brake. My choice was Ceramicool. These pads are 100% true cereamic, and not just impregnated with bits of ceramic. Here is the info i have from the manufacturer, and all the mechanics that I spoke with agree with this: Ceramic brake pads have become the braking industryís buzzword these days with everyone going for the ceramic brake pads. So why ceramic brake pads?
Ceramic brake pads are generally quieter and lower dusting than most OEM pads and organic based brake pads. Many ceramic formulations offer extremely low dusting characteristics, preventing dust from accumulating on your wheels.
Since they were first used on a few original equipment applications in 1985, friction materials that contain ceramic formulations have become recognized for their desirable blend of traits. Instead of the semi-metallic padís steel fibers, the ceramic braking pads make use of the ceramic compounds and copper fibers. This allows the ceramic pads to handle high brake temperatures with less heat fade, provide faster recovery after the stop, and generate less dust and wear on both the brake pads and rotors.
Moreover, the ceramic compounds in the ceramic brake pads make the braking much quieter. This happens as the ceramic compounds help dampen noise by generating a frequency that is beyond the human hearing range.
The above info is from ceramicool. So I am changing my pads i have them ordered. They tell me this will stop the squeaking problem as well as the dust problem. Ford has a technical service buletin out about this, but if you take it to the dealer get ready to pay a lot. I am as I said earlier taking it to a Brake shop. I will post my results after awhile when I see how this goes. hope this helps!
#943 of 1934 electrical problem
by smokey bear
Jan 09, 2005 (10:29 am)
my 03 expedition eb has lost audio in the head phones while dvd is playing.any suggestions?
#944 of 1934 Re: About those Ford Expeditions and Brake Dust [ford_owner]
by smokey bear
Jan 09, 2005 (10:34 am)
my 03 has same brake problems.that dust is an indication of excessive wear and is a saftey issue.me eb looses braking ability when the brakes are used on a long mountain downhill run.my dealer service dept.has put me off.I plan to take it to them one more time this time with my safety at issue rather than the dust.
#945 of 1934 Re: About those Ford Expeditions and Brake Dust [smokey bear]
Jan 09, 2005 (1:04 pm)
With all due respect I tend to disagree with your comment. As far as I can tell all 03 Expeditions exhibit the excessive dust. It is not a sign of excessive wear and it is not a safety issue. I have had the brake dust since day one and at 30,000 miles my brakes are about 2/3 worn.
I can't speak to how the Expy's breaks perform on mountainous roads since there aren't too many here in Minnesota but any braking system will lose peformance if you ride them too long and heat up the brake fluid.