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#1753 of 1827 05 Fuel Injector Issue and Runaround by ritchiecee Apr 01, 2008 (6:56 pm)
Please forgive the length of this post.   We have an 05 Expedition with the larger of the two V8's. My wife exited the highway on Saturday and felt a rough idle and thought maybe she was low on gas even though the gauge showed half full. After filling up, the engine would crank but was very difficult to turn over. After getting it to start a huge plume of white and then blue and then back to white smoke came out of the tail pipe and was very - very rough in idle. She brought the vehicle to a Firestone across the street where they initially diagnosed that the #8 cylinder had dropped, the ignition coil, plug, wires and O2 sensors all needed replacing ($985.00). Then upon restarting they realized something much worse must be bad as a distinct knock and more smoke continued to emanate from the engine. The said the engine was running unbelievably rich and tons too much fuel was being let in to the chamber.   In there opinion the engine would need to be replaced.   I went to speak with the dealership I purchased the vehicle from (no extended maintenance agreement) and they said it sounded as though this may be related to the Ford issue with Fuel Injectors being stuck open on the same engine as was in my Expedition and also the F150 of that year. They said to be careful to not even try to drive it to the dealership as it might bend rods, etc. Apparently Ford had extended the warranty for the injector and issues caused by stuck injectors which I was still covered on.   After I went back to Firestone, they agree that the car s/b towed to the dealership (yesterday).   The dealer called me today and said they were able to determine that the #8 injector was stuck open, they reported it to Ford, Ford instructed certain repairs which after performing them still had the dealer recommending engine replacement.   Ford has now said they will not approve replacement until the dealer pulls the engine, breaks it down, inspects certain components and reports back to them - at which time they (Ford) may still require an independent inspection before approving. Here is the rub...the dealer wants me to approve the work as I WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF THE INSPECTION DOES NOT PROVE THE INJECTORS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!   This is where I am calling foul.   It is my opinion that the symptoms, the voluntary Ford warranty extension, and the professional opinions of two different Service Shops (A Ford Dealership "Landers" and Firestone) provides enough just cause to assign cause of damage and if Ford requires the engine be pulled and broken down it should be at their own expense.   This is the second model Expedition in a row that has had the engine or rear end roll over on me (01 Expedition before this one) and I believe Ford is skirting the edges of a full recall.   I am very interested if anyone knows of pending civil or class action activity I can join if it comes down to it (certainly hope not though) and if there are any groups within Ford or external - Consumer Reports, Attorney's, etc you would suggest I contact.   The Expedition is a wonderful vehicle on the inside it just unfortunately has not been very reliable mechanically for me.   Thanks for your time and any insight you can provide.   Replies to this message: ritchiecee (Apr 03, 2008 5:07 am) tidester (Apr 03, 2008 10:42 am)
#1754 of 1827 Re: 05 Fuel Injector Issue and Runaround [ritchiecee] by ritchiecee Apr 03, 2008 (5:07 am)
Replying to: ritchiecee (Apr 01, 2008 6:56 pm) Update: - Ford approved a full short block replacement after inspecting the engine. New compression test and Cat Converter test will be done when new engine is complete. Replies to this message: tidester (Apr 03, 2008 10:42 am)
#1755 of 1827 Re: 05 Fuel Injector Issue and Runaround [ritchiecee] by tidester HOST Apr 03, 2008 (10:42 am)
Replying to: ritchiecee (Apr 03, 2008 5:07 am) Good for you! I wonder what prompted their change of heart.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper
#1756 of 1827 Re: I think I really did it now..... [shaizma] by gheimur Apr 07, 2008 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: shaizma (Apr 01, 2008 3:15 pm) Unfortunately I think you did, I have read caution about spraying either silicone or any type of stuff. It may effect the oxygen sensors and screw up the mixture where it will cause the car to run foul. This may have caused the catalytic converter to get fouoed up. I think its better to leave a dirty engine
#1757 of 1827 Rear Washer Line Leaking by 01expvl Apr 13, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Hi, does anyone know how the rear washer fluid line is routed on an 01 Exp.? My rear line is leaking and it drains the tank. It appears to be running along the frame. Is this something I can access to repair/replace?   When I fill it the fronts work fine, the rear doesn't squirt, the fluid is dripping under fwd and rear end of the running board.   Your replies are appreciated, Thank you.
#1758 of 1827 Brake lights by elecsteffan Apr 17, 2008 (7:35 pm)
My brake lights don't work on my 1999 Expedition.The fuse and bulbs are good.There is no power at the bulb holder when I step on the pedel.Any ideas? Replies to this message: john22670 (Apr 30, 2008 5:28 am)
#1759 of 1827 air bag shocks by coach23 Apr 28, 2008 (5:55 pm)
How can you tell if the bags are blown or if it is the compresser. I now have a low rider but not by choice.
#1760 of 1827 Re: Brake lights [elecsteffan] by john22670 Apr 30, 2008 (5:28 am)
Replying to: elecsteffan (Apr 17, 2008 7:35 pm) check the switch above the arm of the brake pedal
#1761 of 1827 Re: Spark Plugs [klbyrkit] by paul9250 Apr 30, 2008 (8:18 pm)
Replying to: klbyrkit (Jan 18, 2008 11:15 am) I own a 1997 Expedition that had the #3 cylinder blowout. Ford has an unadmitted problem with the 4.6 and 5.4 liter Triton V8s. 1997 to 2000 are the early model heads that tend to show the problem at higher mileage. The 2001 to 2003 models are the "romeo" heads and have the problem over a wide range of mileage (as early as 40K miles). After 2003 I believe Ford used heads with regular length threads on the spark plugs but you should check with a Ford dealer to make sure that the Triton engine in the model you're considering has long thread plugs and not short thread plugs.   For those who have this problem, Ford dealers charge a wide range of prices to fix it. I've called half a dozen Ford dealers in my area and no two were the same. Prices ranged from $800 to $2000. On the lower end, most of the dealers are using a threaded insert repair. There are many kits on the market specifically designed for Ford Triton V8 spark plug thread repairs. (Just goes to show how common the problem is) Helicoil, KD, Lisle and Timesert all make kits. Ford dealers tend to use the Timesert threaded inserts because of two unique features http://www.timesert.com/html/triton_repair2.html . First, Timeserts have a positive locking shoulder. The bottom threads on the insert also lock in place once the drive tool is used to locate it. Other inserts suffer from backing out or in and blowing out again. Of course, there's no guarantee with the Timesert either and the dealer won't warrant the work. I've heard that one Timesert fix has more than 90K miles on it and its still holding.   I'm an accomplished mechanic so I ordered my own Timesert kit from an Ebay supplier (about $400). If your head is repairable the dealer will typically install the Timesert without removing the heads. If it's not repairable then the dealer will typically recommend a new head (lots of $$). The non-romeo heads generally are repairable. The romeo heads have an additional shoulder that requires a bigger reamer and a shoulder cut. The service tech told me these heads tend to be the ones replaced more often. I'll be tackling the installation on my 97 Expedition this weekend so I'll post a report after I'm done. But, if you're comfortable around and engine bay (and have a step ladder to work on an Expedition) you can probably fix this problem yourself.   One other thing to note is that the coil pack gets damaged when the plug blows outs. Typically, the tap that hold the coil in place breaks off. Since the coil itself still worked fine I epoxied the tab back on the first time this happened and its held just fine. If you're not into this kind of fix you'll have to buy a new coil pack (also expensive from the dealer - near $200)   If you have a mechanic repair your blow out then make sure they use the Timesert inserts for the repair. This will give you the greatest chance at longevity afterwards.
#1762 of 1827 Re: 2001 Exp. EB Side View Mirror Turn Signal Lamp [raderad] by lugster84 May 07, 2008 (7:41 am)
Replying to: raderad (Nov 15, 2004 8:06 am) did you figure out how to replace those bulbs? Both of my bulbs are bad.   Thanks!

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