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Re: To Buy out Lease? '05 XC90 V8 [qbrozen] by watchlover
Jul 29, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Jul 29, 2008 8:18 am)

THat's what I"m up to, but the dealers seem to be offering amazing deals on new ones because teh '09 is due out soon, and '10 is a new body style. . . I'm not sure how to estimate the depreciation 3 years from now, with 85,000 miles . . . . but right now I beleive trade in values may be as low as 16-18K (Dealers don't want these, they are lined up at auction).
 
interesting that there are far and few V8's around (Mine is a V8) eventhough the gas milage is almost the same as the new 6Clyinder. . . perhasp the V8 may be worth more?
 
At the end of the day it may be a coin toss, or a reasonable dealer.
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Re: To Buy out Lease? '05 XC90 V8 [watchlover] by volvomax
Jul 29, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: watchlover (Jul 29, 2008 9:01 am)

Correction: the new XC90 isn't due until 2012.
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XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. by hickorystick
Aug 31, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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I love my XC 90. got close to 50k miles on first set of tires and brakes. Engine is clean as a whistle. Does not leak or consume anything but gas. Dealer maintenance was great. Now I moved to Hawaii. One dealer; He charges three times the going rate for everything. Cost over $100 to shake his hand. The brake light just came on Tuesday Brake Failure!!! Stop safely. ABS Check Engine, We're all going to die. No driveability issues. There is 3/16 of an inch on the inside and outside pad both front wheels and about 1/16 of an inch wear on both sides of the Massive rotor. By the way the rotor and pads look like they were machined. Nothing even beginning to look like irregular wear. Don't currently have a mic. the back pads are both over 1/4 inch thick and it would take a mic to determine wear on the rotor. I can buy OME parts off the net for all four wheels less than $599
 
It will cost me over $1000 to get my brakes done at the dealer. He wants $189 a rotor. Do I have a snowball's chance in Hades getting the lights to shut off if I change the brakes myself? Sensors: they did not jump out at me while I checking things. Where are they, or does the computer just tell you to redo the brakes at 45K? I'm afraid that putting the parts on my self and going to the deal for OBD will result in,"we can't help unless we do the work our selves with our parts." I planned on putting 200k miles on this thing , but if I have to go to this dealer I'm going to get it fixed and unload it.
 
Any comments apprediated.
 
Rob
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [hickorystick] by jim314
Aug 31, 2008 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: hickorystick (Aug 31, 2008 3:17 pm)

You haven't made it clear whether it's just that the brake light came on or whether the brakes are actually not stopping the car properly.
 
I don't think this could possibly be just a "maintenance due" indication based on mileage, but rather that the diagnostic system detected a fault.
 
As far as I know from what you have said this might not be pads/rotors at all, but might be one of the computers that operates the ABS/dynamic stability control. If you just need pads, why not go to an independent garage. They can probably reset the light. They will also mic the rotors and if they are thick enough then you might get them to just change the pads and not replace or turn the rotors.
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [jim314] by hickorystick
Sep 01, 2008 (12:59 am)
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Replying to: jim314 (Aug 31, 2008 5:40 pm)

Car stops fine. Independent garages in Hawaii do not want to work on volvos. I've asked three. Parts are not available? I have to order them. One independent dealer said he could not read codes and was afraid he could not reset the light or determine the problem. Nice guy he works on my ford and VW when they need it and I don't have time. charged me just $20 and said go to the dealer.
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [hickorystick] by jim314
Sep 01, 2008 (3:51 am)
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Replying to: hickorystick (Sep 01, 2008 12:59 am)

There is an independent garage in Dallas (Southwest Auto) which specializes in Volvo and you could possibly have them advise an independent garage in Hawaii, or advise you. I have used them and the nearby dealer, and they are both good. When our Volvos were still in warranty I have gone to the dealer, but I used Southwest for repairs on a 1996 850 (855) wagon. The rear hatch lift cartridges on my 2004 V70 went out in 2007 and I went to Southwest to buy them thinking they would supply longer lastingt and less expensive aftermarket cartridges, and they would give me tips on installation (cartridges are hidden behind plastic trim). When I got there to get my parts they told me that it was a little tricky to get that trim off without damage, but that my 2004 was still under warranty and directed me to the dealer who did it under warranty at no charge.
 
An owner of an independent garage in Dallas told me that he didn't work on any European cars because the mfgrs would not sell them parts at discounted prices as with American and Japanese manufacturers. Repair facilities expect to make a profit on the parts they install, not just on the labor.
 
It's frustrating to have a dealer charge so much, but you may have to use them. This could well be a computer failure, and they could well have special expertise in diagnosing this. This could just be an instance of the high cost of living in Hawaii, but it sure is beautiful. Years ago I lived on Molokai and did practice teaching at Molokai High School.
 
I assume that you have checked the level of the fluid in the master cylinder reservoir, and it's not that. Does the ABS work? Can you feel the pulsation of the pedal when you stop hard under conditions where the ABS would be active?
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [hickorystick] by jim314
Sep 05, 2008 (6:31 am)
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Replying to: hickorystick (Sep 01, 2008 12:59 am)

Small auto shops warn costs could 'skyrocket'

 
JIM MACDONALD
 
The Canadian Press
 
September 1, 2008 at 2:27 PM EDT
 
EDMONTON — Canada's small auto shops are warning that the cost of getting newer vehicles serviced could “skyrocket” because they say some auto makers are restricting access to vital diagnostic software.
 
Without the software, smaller shops are forced to send some repairs to dealerships, and the volume of this dealers-only work will increase as more computer systems are added to new models.
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [jim314] by hickorystick
Sep 06, 2008 (12:32 am)
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Replying to: jim314 (Sep 01, 2008 3:51 am)

I broke down and took it to the dealer. Brake modulation computer is shot. Big money still under warrenty for 4K miles. Funny they didn't try to sell me a brake job this time. They tried to sell me a brake job at the last routine service and I knew the pads and rotors were ok. That is the main reason I didn't want to go back. Any idea why limiting access to diagnostics doesn't violate some kind of anti trust law?
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [hickorystick] by jim314
Sep 06, 2008 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: hickorystick (Sep 06, 2008 12:32 am)

Where is the brake modulation computer? Could they give any reason why yours failed, e.g. temperature, vibration? Or is it just statistics, a distribution of lifetimes for a population of apparently identically made units?
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Re: XC90 Brakes and CAN Code reader. [hickorystick] by volvomax
Sep 08, 2008 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: hickorystick (Sep 06, 2008 12:32 am)

. Any idea why limiting access to diagnostics doesn't violate some kind of anti trust law?
 
For one thing, it's proprietary information.
The only reference the law makes is that diagnostics relating to the Emissions system must be universal.
Second, the manufacturers don't "limit" access. They charge for it.
Most small shops either can't afford, or don't want to pay the access fees.
Volvo's diagnostic system is web based. Your vehicles operating system can be downloaded and sent to Sweden for analysis.
Finally, these cars are way to complex for your average independent garage to deal with anyway. Dealers are constantly sending their techs to school to learn about the latest auto electronics.

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