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#1 of 6 Edmunds drivers can't drive!
Nov 25, 2001 (12:42 pm)
Let me start off by saying I liked the review overall and thought it was very informative. There was one aspect of it though that made me nuts, the review of the GTI. The specs of its 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are way off. All the reviews I read of this car showed an average of about a 0-60 time between 7.2-7.8 none of them as bad as edmunds 8.5. Also the quarter mile for that car is around 16 sec even under 16 sec not 16.5. This made a little bit upset since i love this car and think it one of the best pocket rockets out today.
#3 of 6 Separate but Unequal
Nov 26, 2001 (10:05 am)
Interesting how the 2 fastest cars were segregated into their own category. Based on Liz Kim's sneer, "excuse me while I go frost my hair, buy some spandex outfits and date Joey Buttafuoco" I guess it must be the "lower-middle-class moron" category, although "fastest sport coupes" might be less prejudicial.
#4 of 6 Fast vs Luxury
Nov 27, 2001 (11:05 am)
I was interested to see that they downgraded cars because of the options offered, or they upgraded ones because of the amount of options. Just kind of odd for the category I thought.
#5 of 6 A random category
Dec 02, 2001 (9:53 pm)
They could have called this cars-that-don't-fit-in-other-categories. This is not like comparing the Accord to the Camry to the Taurus to the Passat. The GTI, Celica, and Cougar are different cars. The GTI is a box (wasn't a requirement fancy styling?) and the Cougar doesn't have a sports car engine (another supposed requirement). I was surprised not to see the New Beetle here - wouldn't the 180 hp version (same as GTI) better fit the category? If the GTI gets in, what about a Focus SVT or Sentra Spec-V? They are all small cars with the simple addition of a more powerful engine. An Audi TT would fit their description and match many of the other cars. So it's more expensive - isn't the RSX Type-S a significant amount over the others? And how about coupe/sporty versions of sedans. The Grand Prix GT coupe parked next to me yesterday has a more sporty look than the RSX, a huge increase in torque to make up for the weight, all the same features, and a lower sticker price.
I would have pulled the Cougar and replaced the GTI with the Beetle, and called the category Small Front-Wheel Drive Sports Cars. Because that's what they are really trying to be.
#6 of 6 Beetle, Cougar and others...
Dec 03, 2001 (7:02 am)
Well with respect to the Beetle versus the GTI, I think in practical terms if they are testing the base 150hp engine, it makes little difference which one you choose. However in general the 2002 GTI will be a much more serious driver's car than the beetle (180hp Turbo and the VR6 will be updated late in the Model year to 201 hp). (for the record, I like the boxy shape of the GTI).
As for the Cougar, what defines a sportscar engine? The biggest problem with the Cougars performance probably was the odd gearing.
Regarding Price, actually the RSX is not really much more expensive than a GTI if it is equipped similarly nor that much more than a fully equipped Celica GTS.