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#975 of 1281 Re: 2007 dodge.com teaser [larryccf]
Jan 22, 2007 (3:21 am)
There are tow types of diesel engines, the old 5 cylinder has gone along with the autotrans.
The first engine is a 4 cylinder twin cam 4 valves per cylinder with a in line twin turbo assist.
The second engine is the V6 Gas and Diesel, the gas model is the first to come into the States, followed by the Diesel a little latter on, not a long wait.
The exhaust will use a particulate exhaust trap. for 2007 and part of 2008, unless there is a delay at the US end, The V6 has been redesigned top to bottom heavy duty for all fuel uses
Bio, and ULSD or a mix of the two, notification via Dodge is yet to come but they will run on B10 fuels. the injection system has been changes to accommodate the alternative fuels.
Mercedes-Benz Diesel engines are fully 50 state compliant" BUT" the fuel is not available to the required standards state-wide, this is why there are problems with the Sprinter, it's "POLITICS" if you use ULSD that is suspect?? to quality standards! Use an upper cylinder lubricant to clean the fuel prior to entering the injection system , the engine will take it, however it depends on the contamination levels of non compliance fuels entering your vehicles fuel supply from the pumps, and that is where the problems are occurring, in the mainstream , it's not an easy fix by any stretch of the imagination, Blutec will make it to the states in time be it blutec or Chrysler's Sun Diesel Engine Concept, different system! but it does the same job,the difference is the particulate system one is wet the other is dry so the problem has not been resolved , where it has in the European countries where most of the Sprinters reside, and they don't have any problems clocking a million K's about six hundred thousand miles before a head needs to be lifted for routine maintenance.
When you get them , Like the old Sprinter it's going to be a love hate relationship, you either like them or you don't
Fuel ratings are similar to what you already get on the old Sprinters 22 seems the average , where 25-6 is average in Europe and Australia, but the fuel is high quality ULSD , which allows for a better return on the MPG to a tank of fuel.
Fact and Myth, Damlier -Benz engines are compliant for euro 4 and for euro 5 over five ton commercial units using both the particulate exhaust system filter traps and for Blutec
of which there is no distribution facility's in the US mainstream as of yet, it is available, but it's sent through a limited network of distribution, this will take at least three years to come on line, If The US choses to use this path to cut down on emissions.
Interesting thread below makes one think
2007 Diesel Regulations - Environmental Irresponsibility? « Mostly Mechanical
Another source of invaluable information on the new Sprinter
#976 of 1281 Re: Extra Keys [larryccf]
Jan 22, 2007 (2:32 pm)
even the "plain" keys have a transponder in them.
The "fob" key also has the door lock remote.
We have seen entries on the internet (ebay, also) that you can program for a third key if you have two already... but if you have just one key, then you HAVE to have it programmed by dealer/locksmith (additional programming for the remote door lock feature as well if you have that).
#977 of 1281 Diesel price hike
Jan 24, 2007 (7:08 pm)
I hear people talking about a 5K hike in new vehicles with diesel engines! I picked up my 04 today with a fresh warranty paint job ( thanks to a budwiser truck hitting me ). and I thought the sprinter guy said it was ford and GM. He said the sprinter already meets the US guide lines. If true, does this mean our sprinters just went up in value. Tom
#978 of 1281 Re: Buy new model in Europe, ship home?? [kenbaker]
Jan 24, 2007 (9:45 pm)
KenB - believe you have it reversed on the "hi discharge" - first if i recall correctly, the euro sprinters have the optional Bi-zenon hi discharge which burn in the 45-4700 Kelvin spectrum, are much much more focused (ergo the focusing lenses you see in the headlamp, with the bulb hidden behind it) and the light is focused like a lazor in a flat plane across the road ahead
visibility is much more enhanced - I have had them on 3 german cars now, purchased here in the US and bought the headlamp units in europe
both the intensity, focusing and the color (white) of the light all make visibility day/night difference between them and the headlights commonly available now on US spec vehicles
#979 of 1281 well, after reading all 50 pages of messages I've rethought
Jan 25, 2007 (10:36 pm)
my decision to purchase a sprinter
drove one,, liked it, and assumed i could expect the quality i'd experienced in my MB cars, both build quality and support quality (i expected a downgrade in support quality but not the extent i've read about here)
think i'll wait a year or two to see if the reports re the new 2007 version indicate any change
i'll build a temporary camper for my toyota tundra double cab - if the japs can do it, why is it so difficult for, of all makers, MB or DC
it's a shame, as the sprinter really does offer possibilities other vans don't and i had looked forward to it - in case some think my expectations are too high, i was a dealership mechanic in the late 60s into the mid 70s (BMW/NISSAN/SAAB), and still have a lot of friends in the dealerships around town, from mechanics to svc managers
and the problems i've read about and the complete apparent failure on dealership tech support leaves me wondering where DC turned left when the rest of the market turned right
sorry for the negative post, but hopefully someone from DC or MB monitors these posts
wishing you guys many trouble free enjoyable miles
#980 of 1281 Re: Buy new model in Europe, ship home?? [larryccf]
Jan 26, 2007 (1:22 pm)
Its NOT that the headlight **quality** is not good enough for American roads... it is that the DESIGN is wrong unless changed for our roads.
The quality of the entire van design is OK for US standards (as most trucks usually are).
I am certain that the European standards for headlight illumination include very little side light and upper right quadrant lighting (as looking forward into the field of vision from the driver's seat).
In Europe, it is mostly required for street signs and warnings to be lighted on their own and for the beam width/height of the headlamps to be restricted to avoid on-coming driver blinding effects.
In the USA, we mostly don't light our street signs except in very progressive states/areas with LOTS of money. As a result, in order to see street signs and warning markers/signs, the NTSD and/or DOT require more broad beamed lighting on cars/trucks for the American market.
Putting the Xenon (pseudo HID) bulbs in normal USA headlight enclosures is a hazard to on-coming traffic on two-way roads. And putting European headlight assemblies in a car meant for the Ammerican road system is bad because you can see where you're going, but you can't read the signs so well.
#981 of 1281 Re: Buy new model in Europe, ship home?? [kenbaker]
Jan 26, 2007 (8:34 pm)
actuallym the HIDs that I've had were flat beams (flat horizontally, until they reached the right edge of the road and then they angled upward, almost a 45 degree angle upward illuminating the right side of the road, believe they were referred to as "E code" ILLUMINATION,
just for that purpose, to illuminate road signs better
Feb 09, 2007 (9:11 pm)
I'm a Fed Ex Home Delivery Contractor with the first Sprinter (158 Tall 2500) in our terminal (10/04). I fought a fierce fight to get it over the "bread truck" delivery vehicle. I'm very, very dissatisfied with the vehicle. I was never a fan of German vehicles (compared to my experience with Japanese engineering and reliability); owning and operating this van over the past 2 1/2 years has thoroughly convinced that this vehicle is nothing short of a nightmare! Overly complicaterd yet under engineered. Is this the price we Americans pay for WWII?? Still, I would like to join the discussion and add my two cents, learning from you while sharing from my experiences, in hopes of helping the uninitiated avoid the same pitfalls.
Currently, my vehicle is in the shop since Tuesday, needing new glow plugs requiring removal of the head. At 144K!! It wouldnt start Tuesday for work; -8 that day. How can MB stay in business marketing a vehicle that has this many problems? It is so under-engineered... excessive tire wear, brakes, tie rods, ck engine light issues, EGR valves, preheater, serpentine belt tensioner, fuel lines bursting, batteries, turn signal assembly, wheel bearings, HVAC controller, front doors hyperextending and bending, rear doors wont stay shut, numerous parts not mentioned previously failing, bulbs burning out constantly, lack of adequate dealer servicing, parts on national backorder, severe traction issues on any loose/ slippery surface... the list goes on and on. Anyway, just wanted to throw my hat in the ring.
#984 of 1281 Re: Sprinter Woes [paulkfedex]
Feb 10, 2007 (2:25 pm)
Hi this is Sprinterdoc, I work on them every day. One of me friends got '05 158' and 300,000 miles on it. We fixed only few things on it: Brakes ones, tires ones, belt ones, and headlight bulbs few times but they all need them. Other people complaint a lot more,but like all other cars they need thing here and there. I can only say one think: depends how you drive the truck.