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Dodge Sprinter Cargo, Dodge Sprinter, Van
#868 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [kenbaker]
Sep 21, 2006 (7:58 am)
i agree that the 10k mile maint is fairly easy. the dealer charges $550 to do it (Huntington beach dodge, california)it's just different than working on what we're use to here in america but if you can do it on ford or toyota then you'll have no problems. i have 2006 and no special tools are needed to do the 10k mi service. you will need a torx head bit assortment though (common)
some will say that you need a special tool to remove the cap from the oil filter recepticle but i can remove it with just my hand and strong grip or maybe some channel locks with rag around the top (how my dodge dealer told me to do it)
also i found to remove the air filter you'll have to remove the turbo heat shield (two nuts, one bolt), clip a couple zip-ties and remove the intake hose. it's easy, just go slow and be smart.
for the fuel filter... you'll have to break the factory clamps with a pair of dikes or needle nose pliers or ??? (because they're one time use only.. so remember to get a four pack from you auto store before you start) and remove the hoses. at that point, disconnect the electrical connector, loosen the torx head tightening bolt on the side then slide it up and out. remove the dust cap in the middle, top of your new filter and fill it with diesel until it comes out the top. then fill it again until you can see the diesel inside. remove the sensor device from your old unit which should unscrew at first, then remove two torx screws, twist it about 20 degress then pull ir straight out (after seeing this you'll know what i mean). it has o-rings like your oil filter and you should replace em (o rings come with the mopar filter). put it all back together and at that point i put some small rubber vaccuum caps on all of the hose barbs so that when you manuever this thing back in the engine compartment you don't spill diesel evrywhere. then reconnect all the hoses, connectors and securing clamp and you're redy to rock.
you'll see an inverted (male) torx head harware all over the car that looks like special tool is required but a metric 6 point hex socket is all you'll need to remove it.
you'll just have to get over the anxiety of working on brand new car. 10k i do my oil & filter, air filter and fuel filter. i buy my parts rom the dealer and it come out $100. synthetic oil is about $60 for 10 quarts. you could save couple bucks and buy parts from the local auto store but they have to order it and they are more likely (in my opinion) to screw up and order the wrong stuff. my dealer said i should replace my AC filter as well but i hardly use AC so phooey on trying to find it.
also, i'm using mobil 1 0-40W because that's what the dealer said came in the car from factory. no burned oil in 10k miles. i find it hard to beleive that they are putting in the wrong, more expensive, grade of oil from the start...
using a lightweight, synthetic oil for the break-in period sounds like a smart thing to do... maybe 15-40w after 50-100k miles. japanese cars (the few i've owned) have always put disclaimers in the owners maunals about putting in oil that was to thick. (of course after 10 years, 200k miles and burning a quart every 1000 miles you're on your own) it sure would have been nice if MBZ would have put an oil prressure guage in this thing.
but honestly... i've known folks who damn near drove their MBZ diesels out of oil on a regular basis and have still put 200k miles on afterwards and still sold the car running great. shoot, you could probably put 10 quart of canola oil in this thing and it'll run. i see a lot of MBZ diesels on the road with 300k+ and i'm sure they can't soley attest that their longevity is due to hyper critical oil choices.
eventhough the MBZ diesel may go million miles i don't think the body/chassis on one of these vans will make it to 300k without falling apart in real work enviroment. are you really planning to drive you're sprinter 1,000,000 miles? or 500,000 miles? or even 300,000 miles? i'd like to see what one of these looks like with 300k plus on it.
do we have any fleet techs out there who have stories/records/photos of the life of a US imported sprinter after 300k miles, 500k miles? just for fun, good luck.
#870 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [punter1]
Sep 22, 2006 (5:13 am)
does anyone know how much the new 2007 model is gonna cost? imagine there gonna be price spike.
#871 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [methodvan]
Sep 22, 2006 (6:44 am)
Methodvan... As it is the van was not worth it dealer told me that strip will be around 41k personally i will never buy another one, van is ok BUT the dealer just because is made by MB they charging an arm and a leg for service. I ask the other day how much for a brake job and they said $1300.00 for the front and $1300.00 for the back. I ask what type of tranny oil it take and they told me fluid is a secret only MB make it and only dealers can change the oil. I can not ever check the tranny oil level because is lock. What kind of a deal is this?. I think is arm robery.
#872 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [ron52]
Sep 22, 2006 (7:17 am)
Overall, a very good van platform and drive train. I have only experienced a check engine light apparently associated with a fuel tank sensor that thought the fuel cap was off.
Your limp home symptoms are sounding consistent with the turbo/intake related problems that have occured for some dirvers... any of the following: intake sensors (temp/air flow/pressure), turbo oulet box cracks/failure, loose hose/clamps, etc.
I sounds quite likely that the turbo spooled up to pressure and flexxed the output box (causing a leak), a hose/clamp leaked pressure, or the mass/air sensor has a problem and failed to give a proper signal. The service tech could certainly plug into the OBD (On-Board Diagnostics) connector and quickly tell what the computer thinks was wrong. Not EXACTLY what the SALESMAN wants to be doing during a SALE...
Did you test a passenger model or a cargo/chassis? Passenger model is built in Stuttgardt (Sp?) and shipped. cargo/chassis models are shipped as kits and assembled in the Carolinas... a few more hose/clamp problems have been suspected by some of our Sprinter compadres.
If you care about rattles, you will have some things to work on every now and then and you may want to add insulation/damping pads to the larger panels.
If you have specific questions please ask.
#873 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [kenbaker]
Sep 22, 2006 (7:28 am)
Thank you for all your responses. You all have been very informative. Time will tell whether I will regret my purchase. Oh well, it is only money
#874 of 1281 Re: I am glad you people are out there [nescosmo]
Sep 22, 2006 (7:32 am)
I finally found somewhere that the MB-tranny fluid is some normal company's (can't remember which, may Shell?) fully synthetic DEXRON-III. If I find the ref again, I will post it.
The brake job is still a DYI if you are saavy. Change pads, rotors, and (maybe) sensors as a group and still come out WAY ahead of $1300/axle.
Dealers are currently getting the repuation that leeches, sharks, used car salesmen, and lawyers used to have exclusive territorial rights to... But, they can't all be bad and they should have D/C backing to do better. Otherwise, they are goiong to have a tough time paying for a $2-Billion re-working of this van... They did this partly so that Dodge would not have to re-work the Dodge RamVan models.
Sep 22, 2006 (8:36 am)
Although I like my 140SHC, I miss the vesatility of my pickup. D/C has a concept vehicle for Jeep called the Gladiator, which is a diesel pickup. This is a standard pickup design, though.
I think that using the drivetrain of the sprinter in a crossover van/pickup would be excellent; a nearly cab-over pickup would allow a lot of cargo space in a shorter, easier to park vehicle; and the fuel effeciency of the 5 cyl. motor in a light vehicle would be outstanding. I know that cab & chassis sprinters are available, and adding a utility bed would make it a great pickup type vehicle (there are a few driving around where I live), but I think something designed from the ground up to be a modular utility vehicle would be more efficient.
If I were to design it: cab-over or transverse mounted engine (short hood), front buckets plus room for bench or two more bucket seats in back, door in back of cab that opens to the bed, removable shell option that converts the open bed into a weather tight cargo or passenger area, interior of vehicle 2 meters wide (to allow a person room to lay down crossways), minimum 8' bed length (for sheet goods like plywood), 4wd or AWD optional, diesel motor and all the ABS, ESP, ASR and all the other safety circuitry.
Note on the cargo area of the current Sprinter; I happily found that I can haul 16' lengths of moulding inside the 140SHC, even though the ends are up on the dash. 12' boards are not a problem, either, as they can stack up between the front seats, with just enough clearance to not hit the cupholder attachment.
#876 of 1281 DC dealers are under lawyers, realtors, and snakes
Sep 23, 2006 (7:07 am)
i think Dc blew it when then did their marketing reasearch for this van in zillion ways.
first of all this is a work vehicle, plain and simple. for those folks that have work vehicles for their small businesses they want high quality product for cheap with reasonable maint costs and easy to get parts. not vice-versa. when my dealer wants $500 for a 10k mi service (huntington beach dodge, HB california, "sprinter headquaqrters")which includes 3 hrs labor to change each filter and parts, when i did it myself the FIRST TIME in 40 minutes... something is wrong. $1300 per axle for brakes... guess i'll be doing that myself too. parts? a dodge what???
i think dodge dealers overlook the importance of sprinter qualified sales staff and tech people because they may only sell a small percentage of sprinters when considering the total volume of sales. and for some reason people are sypathetic over this. well, i'm not... if you cant support you're product then don't F****in' sell it. it's still the most expensive car on the lot with exception of the VIPER. to watch the dealer scrath their head when i bring it in for door rattles, broken seats, etc and then turn around and ask me for the $500 to change the oil and filters is INFURIATING!!!
i think DC knows about the dealer problems but refuses to address it because it will turn into greater problems with their sales of remaing 2006 models. "maybe if we ignore it it'll go away" it's just like the turbo failure that seems to plague so many sprinters. my dealers service mangr and his tech swear that they'd never heard of such a thing and haven't had single one come back with problems (sprinter HQ). then, i turned to this forums and a startling percentage of folks have had this problem. who should i beleive? recall to costly? maybe most vans will make it to 36k mi before it goes and then we can charge for this inherent repair??? gee, does sounds like we're playing black jack with a dealer whose stacked the deck, here????
DC has really buried itself with me and that's what i tell everyone who asks me about my van. at least ford, GM or toyota never made me feeled like i was deliberately being screwed.
DC are YOU listening out there.... here are some keywords...
"RESPECT YOUR CUSTOMERS AND THEIR TIME AND MONEY!!!!!!"
#877 of 1281 Re: DC dealers are under lawyers, realtors, and snakes [methodvan]
Sep 23, 2006 (7:29 am)
dodge.com says you can get extended warranties to 100K that include routine service - but I have no idea what they cost. If I get a Sprinter I will try to get that.
I think part of the problem is that in the USA it is illegal for a manufacturer to own the dealer. In Europe it is not and the manufacturer has better control of service.
It sounds like it might be the dealer and not the manufacturer who is doing the poor job.