Last post on Sep 10, 2013 at 2:23 AM
You are in the Saab 9-3
What is this discussion about?
Saab 9-3, Sedan
#3091 of 3350 advice about buying Saab
Jun 02, 2007 (4:57 pm)
Hi, I'm new here but have been reading about Saab cars both here and elsewhere. I'm in the market in the next 6-12 months for a new car and I generally like what I've read about Saab. Any suggestions for a new buyer as to what questions and considerations should be kept in mind about Saabs? I've been driving a Pontiac Bonneville SSEi (1995) and Olds Bravada (1999). The Pontiac's been a great car -- relatively low maintenance and very reliable; the Bravada's been high maintenance but good in bad winter winter (I'm in New Hampshire).
Regarding Saab, I'm wondering, for example, about its maintenance record, reliability, cost to drive. We have a terrific garage close by whereas the closest Saab dealership is about 45 miles away. I'm assuming that most maintenance on a Saab would want to be done by Saab mechanics. So I'm not sure on the maintenance/maintainability side if Saab is such a good idea.
Any thoughts/ideas/comments most welcome. Thanks!
#3092 of 3350 2008 Model Year
Jun 05, 2007 (5:34 pm)
I have ordered a 2007 93 SportCombi Anniversary Edition - 6 Speed Manual...but due to dealer ineptitude, the order was delayed. I am told now the "build date" for my car is the end of June. This seems awefully close to end of model year. Does anyone know when the '08 model will ship? (I am in Canada). Should I cancel and reorder for the new model year? Other than frontal appearance, is there anything of note that would cause me to choose an 08 over the 07?
#3093 of 3350 Re: 2008 Model Year [gbv]
Jun 06, 2007 (3:02 am)
I think the body style is being updated quite a bit--you can type in 2008 saab 9-3 in an internet search to find some pictures. It may be a few months before the new model comes out, but it will probably be worth it for the upgrades and the superior resale value it would bring. Just my $.02...
#3094 of 3350 Re: 2008 Model Year [gbv]
Jun 06, 2007 (11:35 am)
I suggest you press your dealer for more details and a clear explanation as to what's taking place.You are correct in being skeptical as to the cars"build date",As a 13 year vet of Saabs end of year procedures I can assure you they are not still building '07 models in late June.'08 Models will be shipping by early August and The Trollhatten plant shuts down for an entire month in the summer.I think you need to press on ...that explanation is very suspect!
#3095 of 3350 Re: advice about buying Saab [jimmyf]
Jun 08, 2007 (4:15 am)
I have a 2005 Arc with the 2T turbo engine that I bought new. Saab dropped the Arc name in 2006, but I think you can still get the Arc features and options today. To date, the car has not given me any problems with the exception of the battery dying at 1.5 years, but Saab doesn't make the battery. It looks like Saab worked out the reliability issues they had in 2003.
The cost to drive is fairly cheap with the four cylinder engine getting around 28 mpg. The insurance rates are good, too (for NJ!) Maintenance is low with scheduled trips to the dealership once every 15,000 miles (approximately - the car measures the oil quality and gives you a message when the oil needs to be changed.) Therefore, a 45-mile trip to the dealership at that frequency won't be too bad.
Another positive point about this car for someone in NH - it does well in snow. Maybe you could unload the Bravada, too!
As they were just talking about in this forum - you need to decide between the 2007 and redesigned 2008. The 2007 has all of the bugs worked out. The 2008 has improvements, but it is also a new model. If you decide on the 2007, then you will need to move soon.
Jun 11, 2007 (2:40 pm)
The 2008 9-3 was unveiled today. I can't tell if this is a new vehicle from the ground up. The interior looks the same, the front has a nice facelift, the tailights are slightly different, and there are a few more engine/drivetrain choices. Is this really a "new" vehicle. Is it worth passing deals on the 07?
#3097 of 3350 Re: 2008 [jblaze13]
Jun 12, 2007 (6:12 am)
It's not a new vehicle from the ground up.
However, if you're interested in the AWD v6, it's up to 280hp, and the new AWD system sounds very spiffy ( limited slip rear diff, up to 100% of torque to the rear ).
I also think the car looks better now, but that's subjective, of course.
#3098 of 3350 Re: 2008 Model Year [gbv]
Jun 13, 2007 (4:25 pm)
Well, the games with my dealer continue. Still no car and they are not making any reasonable concessions for delayed delivery. Now I am very focused on the 08. I like what I see. Can anyone tell me what the pricing has done compared to the 07's? Any idea when one could take delivery of an 08?
#3099 of 3350 My Saab dealer experience
Jun 13, 2007 (5:03 pm)
In a couple of posts I mentioned a poor experience I was having with trying to get a new SportCombi. I thought I would outline the experience here and ask for any suggestions....I am hoping that my experience is an anomaly and not the norm.
First of all, I live in Toronto Canada. My local dealer is owned by a larger corporation who owns multiple dealerships including the other closest Saab dealer.
On March 31, 2006, I entered in a contract to lease a 2007 Ice Blue, standard, SportCombi (anniversary edition). At the time, I was told it would be 4-6 weeks before delivery.
On May 22, I visited the dealership (as I had heard nothing to date) and asked for the ETA. I was then told it was coming, no date yet but it is usually 8-10 weeks. I called Saab Canada (and am routed neatly to GM Canada call centre). I asked for normal delivery timelines and asked if they could tell me what the ETA was. They told me "normal" was 8-12 weeks....but they needed my order number to track anything. They followed up with the dealer.
After 1 week of them getting the run-around with the dealer, an order number was obtained and they looked into my situation. I was informed by the GM rep, that Saab Sweden had picked up my order May 23 and it was scheduled for build June 25. Shipping times (estimated) would have the car here the first week of August. I have since learned from the GM rep, that manufacturing of the 07's is scheduled to finish June 17th...but sometimes they extend the run if there are enough orders.
It has taken some effort, but the dealership is admitting some error in process. They have to date not been able to provide me with the date the order was actually placed. They have told me that there was some mixup on the colour and that they thought I wanted a black one (which was part of their standing inventory...so obviously if I wanted it, I would have taken immediate delivery).
I am looking to be made "whole". The car was for my wife to replace her old car prior to summer (she has no A/C now). The dealer has never offerred any "compensation" and in fact I was once greeted with a shrug of shoulders saying they could and would do nothing for me. I have made suggestions of what they could do.
1) Give me a comperable demonstrator to drive until my car arrives - they offerred me a used Saturn Ion.
2) Reduce the price, resid values, finances etc. on the car to better reflect the kind of deal I would negotiate for an 07 when the 08 is a month away. Add a bunch of "dealer installed options" to the car. - today I was offerred $1200 reduction (if you account for tax and interest rates, that is in the order of $950 value.)
3) Cancel the 07, give me an equivalently optioned 08 at the same price as I had negotiated for the 07 - they claim they cannot do that since they don't have 08 pricing (not my issue, since I stated my price is fixed)
I have stopped making suggestions - I thought they should make some of their own. I am fascinated that they have not tried to put me into an Aero (they have many on the lot).
I have dealt with the salesperson, and as of today, 3 General Sales Managers. Each time, I start again and I still not getting nowhere.
Everywhere we speak of customer satisfaction and customer service...as far as I see, I am the only one suffering as a result of their ineptitude.
Am I being reasonable? Is this normal? Should I do something else?
#3100 of 3350 Re: My Saab dealer experience [gbv]
Jun 14, 2007 (6:22 am)
Obviously the dealer misplaced your order. They also have lied to you about everything since. They probably have lied about other things also. Find another dealer or find another car. Do you really want to take a car to this dealer for servicing, repairs or warranty work?