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Re: World of Saab [dhanley] by saablcp
May 21, 2007 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 18, 2007 3:59 pm)

You post a link to Car and Drivers comparison test.How can that test have any credibility?They post a 198ft.stopping distance for the Aero and just blithely state maybe there was a "malfunction". They then struggle to even get the BMW started and try to perform a 70-to 0 stop which results in an alm0st 360 degree spinout due to faulty ABS.How do they address this glaring flaw?They simply use braking data for a different model from a previous test! Totally bogus and also totally indicative of the BMW bias that their magazine has fostered for decades!
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Re: World of Saab [saablcp] by dhanley
May 22, 2007 (4:11 am)
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Replying to: saablcp (May 21, 2007 8:07 am)

I don't see how that is bias. They know the car can stop in that distance because the exact same one did so in a previous test. Someone could say they are biased FOR the saab by 'blithely' saying that the 198 foot braking distance must be due to a malfunction. I think people generally claim bias when there's data they want to ignore. "Oh, well, that would ruin my point.. Oh, i know, the source is biased!"
 
In any case, i was responding to the claim that the 9-3 will blow away any 4-door car in performance... While i think as a package saabs are pretty good values, the idea they're going to torch any other 4-door car is weird.
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Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo by autoedu
May 25, 2007 (12:06 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 22, 2007 4:11 am)

For those who've never experienced the glory of Saab high performance turbo...
According to Top Gear BBC's reivew of Saab.
"Don't mind BMW or Mercedes, Saab Aero does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo."
 
Everyday driving condition is not how fast you can accelerate from 0-60mph. The heart, glory and joy of Saab is power and performance in everyday driving 40-70mph, 50-75mph etc. This is where Saab does it better than any cars, even better than Porsche 911 Turbo (that means BMW and Mercedes stand no chance against Saab in highway passing situation)
 
For the car enthusiasts the sheer overtaking power of Saab is truely special.
 
Why Saab a BBC's Review
Watch the last minute of the video!
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Re: Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo [autoedu] by dhanley
May 25, 2007 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: autoedu (May 25, 2007 12:06 am)

Hehe, you don't want them to watch the whole video? Why not? Don't want to have them hear clarkson trash the car for seven minutes? Or where it gets beaten around the track by the honda civic and almost every other car tested? That is in the video too, ya know. How does having almost the worst track time tested fit into your "performance" argument?
 
Here's the top gear power board with the 9-5 test:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Laps
 
note that many of these tests were on a wet track, some even "very wet" or icy. But the 9-5 was o na bone-dry track.
 
You've also got your sole fact for the car wrong. It's not faster than a 911 turbo 40-70, it's faster when doing the pull *in second gear* . A 911turbo ( as well as a 3 series ) need a 2-3 shift ~60mph, so you can't even do a 40-70 test in second. But in an automatic or if you shift, that won't be the result.
 
But lest you think i'm just trashing, saab is on my "next car" list. I think it's comfy, safe, has some nice features, and is priced well.
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Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo by autoedu
May 25, 2007 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 25, 2007 5:49 am)

Yes, watch the whole video again.
Most of the video is about Saab is a car and jet is a jet. A car can never outperforms a jet...well that's a surprise. He is not trashing the car by making Saab vs Jet comparisons. No matter how you explain/twist it, Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo period. If Saab can do this kind of pull in second gear, look like a Porsche or Corvette has a lot of catch up to do once a Saab is shifted into its 3rd or 4th gear
 
The most impressive fact? Saab gives you this kind of performance with a 4 cylinder engine, front-wheel drive in a sedan form.
 
As for the Power Laps tests they clearly state their results as...
"These lap times do not offer entirely reliable comparisons between the cars - the conditions are far from controlled."
 
Again the heart and soul of Saab is not 0-60mph tests or racetrack time. This is not practical real-life driving performance or situation.
 
Cars are driven by people not racetrack driver. Hop on the freeway, and if the situation is truely necessary, Saab can overtake any cars, even Porsche or BMW, surely and safely.
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to buy or not to buy.... by getty813
May 26, 2007 (2:54 pm)
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My husband and I are looking at a 2003 9-3 Linear with upgrades of 17inch wheels, 6 cd changer, power moonroof, power driver seat and electrochromatic rear view with 36,000 miles on it for $14,900. If we get it we will get the 4 year 60,000 mile warranty for another $2500. It is a lease turned in EARLY. After doing my research I was really looking for a 2004, because of all the electrical issues with the 2003's. But this car looks and drives fab, however I have done the research so while my heart is saying buy, my mind is saying no way. Thoughts??
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Re: to buy or not to buy.... [getty813] by dhanley
May 26, 2007 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: getty813 (May 26, 2007 2:54 pm)

I'm not clear on the extended warranty--they usually operate from the point the car was originally purchased, and there's already a 4 year 50K mile warranty on the car. If the car is "certified" by saab, it will extend the warranty to 6 years or 100K miles, and that ought to be less than $2,500
 
Just make sure it's the genuine gm/saab warranty in any case.
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Re: to buy or not to buy.... [dhanley] by getty813
May 27, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 26, 2007 7:54 pm)

the car was bought on may 30, 2003 so the original warranty is up may 30, 2007- if we buy now, the car is still covered under the originial warrany so we would extend the current warranty (which i assume is gm/saab) another 4years or 60,000 miles which would cover everything but battery, brakes and the radio. just not sure we want to invest in a 2003 9-3 given all the discussions here about electrical problems...
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Re: to buy or not to buy.... [getty813] by ogr81
May 27, 2007 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: getty813 (May 27, 2007 6:47 am)

I have a 2003 9-3 Linear and have had no electrical problems to-date. In fact, the only thing I had to have replaced under warranty was the driver's side window tract. My car was produced late in the model year, and it sounds like the one you're considering purchasing was as well. I venture to say they had many of the bugs worked out by late '03...just my $>.02.
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Re: to buy or not to buy.... [ogr81] by getty813
May 27, 2007 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: ogr81 (May 27, 2007 12:27 pm)

thanks for your message!

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