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Re: Appreciate Your Input [fmkgb] by saablcp
Apr 23, 2007 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: fmkgb (Apr 20, 2007 1:50 pm)

The overlooked aspect of reliability ratings of cars is the fact that future reliability of current model year cars is largely based on the history of that model in the previous 3 to 4 model years.This presupposes the idea that the manufacturer has done nothing in the subsequent model years to address the problems which caused the reliability issue.This is particularly relevant in the case of the Saab 9-3.This model was introduced in 2003 with the same name as the previous 4 model years but was in fact a complete and total redesign of every single element of the car.The first 18 months or so were classic examples of perhaps bringing the model to market prematurely and it became a "lets work out the kinks as we go" scenario.This is largely what these negative reliability ratings are based on.If possible find someone who is driving an '05 or "06 model and get their take on their experience with their cars reliability.My opinion regarding the demo is that it is a very practical way to save money on your lease payment.What difference does it make if your car has 27,000 miles at lease end or 29,500?Plus the car has had a 2,500 mile pre- delivery shake-down cruise for any initial issues,if any,to be dealt with.
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Is this a good deal? by nishonbaru
May 14, 2007 (1:45 pm)
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2006 SAAB 9-3 2.0t Black with grey interior. 11,000+- miles, Auto. $18,900. The warrenty would still be good. What about the free scheduled maintenance?
  
Thanks
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Saaber of 93 and 95 by autoedu
May 17, 2007 (2:35 pm)
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Saab is a high performance sport car. Super fast and fun thanks to its jet inspired, the most efficient of its kind turbo-charged engine, providing exceptional overtaking performance.
 
In fact, the limited (MY99-02) 9-3 Viggen's engine is nearly 12 percent more efficient at producing horsepower per liter of engine displacement than the 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera. More importantly, the Viggen is a full 52 percent more efficient at producing lb.-ft. of torque per liter of engine displacement.
 
No other competitors come close in performance (not even a BMW can keep up with a Saab on the open highway) Although many Saab owners are conservative in nature, those who are more adventurous fall in love with their Saab's performance when it comes to overtaking or passing ability. The pure and smooth acceleration of the turbo rush is a marvel to be discovered for any car enthusiast.
 
Saab cars are also extremely safe and undoubtedly one of the safest cars on the road that money can buy. Winning the Top Safety Pick - Gold Award from American IIHS for the past 3 years.
 
As for reliability, just last December a salesman from Wisconsin retired his million mile 1989 Saab 900 SPG to a museum. Saab Cars USA quickly followed with a campaign to give a free new Saab to any U.S. customer who covers the distance of one million miles (or more) in a Saab that he or she originally purchased new.
Drive a Million Mile, Get a FREE Saab
 
If you have never owned a Saab you have never experienced the fun and joy of driving a high performance vehicle. Don't take my word for it, schedule a test flight at your local dealer then come back and post your experience on this forum.
 
A very happy and satisfied owner of '02 Saab 93 SE Convertible and '02 Saab 95
 
PS. Saaber is a Saab enthusiast or owner
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Re: Saaber of 93 and 95 [autoedu] by dhanley
May 17, 2007 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: autoedu (May 17, 2007 2:35 pm)

"high performance sports car???" "If you have never owned a Saab you have never experienced the fun and joy of driving a high performance vehicle.??
 
I'm sorry, but "high performance sports car" reserved for porsches, (newer) vettes, ferarris, m3's, etc. Those owners aren't missing out by not having driven 9-3's.
 
For some time i had both a bmw and a saab, both had almost exactly the same hp/torque ratings. The bmw out-accelerated the saab in 80% of situations, and outhandled it in as near to 100% of them as i can figure. One time when i had been driving the bmw for a few months, i drove the saab down a windy road i drove a lot. I slowed down by about 20% from my usual speed and nearly ended up in the weeds on the first turn. I had not remembered how badly the car understeered.
 
I know you're enamored with highway passing, but "no competitor comes close" doesn't even apply in that area. Any car saab puts out is going to get roasted by a 335i, g37, c350 in passing tests.
 
Agree on safety, but one million-mile car does not reliability make. That demonstrates longevity.
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World of Saab by autoedu
May 17, 2007 (7:23 pm)
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Somehow US consumers are less educated about Saab, in Europe Saab is very well-known as reliable, safe and high performance vehicles.
 
I don't think any four-door sport sedan out there can outperformed or outhandled a Saab. "No competitor comes close" ... might be an overstatement, but those that are in the same league as Saab are few and rare.
 
Take a look at the Saab Performance Team
http://www2.saabusa.com/performancedriveteam/default.asp
 
And Saab Aero Performance Series
http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/aeroperformance/index.jsp
 
Don't take mine or anyone word of how good or bad a Saab is.
I encourage you to do the research, take a test flight, see the Saab Performance Team if you have a chance and see for yourself what a born from Jets vehicle really is.
 
Also go to You Tube and search for Saab
You'll find a great archive of videos with Saab outperforming Ferraris, and even video of Saab outruns motorcycle
 
Have fun and enjoy your test flight!
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Re: World of Saab [autoedu] by dhanley
May 18, 2007 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: autoedu (May 17, 2007 7:23 pm)

"I don't think any four-door sport sedan out there can outperformed or outhandled a Saab."
 
*rolls eyes*
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10384/2005-saab-9-3-aero.html
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Re: World of Saab [dhanley] by saablcp
May 21, 2007 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 18, 2007 3:59 pm)

You post a link to Car and Drivers comparison test.How can that test have any credibility?They post a 198ft.stopping distance for the Aero and just blithely state maybe there was a "malfunction". They then struggle to even get the BMW started and try to perform a 70-to 0 stop which results in an alm0st 360 degree spinout due to faulty ABS.How do they address this glaring flaw?They simply use braking data for a different model from a previous test! Totally bogus and also totally indicative of the BMW bias that their magazine has fostered for decades!
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Re: World of Saab [saablcp] by dhanley
May 22, 2007 (4:11 am)
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Replying to: saablcp (May 21, 2007 8:07 am)

I don't see how that is bias. They know the car can stop in that distance because the exact same one did so in a previous test. Someone could say they are biased FOR the saab by 'blithely' saying that the 198 foot braking distance must be due to a malfunction. I think people generally claim bias when there's data they want to ignore. "Oh, well, that would ruin my point.. Oh, i know, the source is biased!"
 
In any case, i was responding to the claim that the 9-3 will blow away any 4-door car in performance... While i think as a package saabs are pretty good values, the idea they're going to torch any other 4-door car is weird.
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Saab does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo by autoedu
May 25, 2007 (12:06 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (May 22, 2007 4:11 am)

For those who've never experienced the glory of Saab high performance turbo...
According to Top Gear BBC's reivew of Saab.
"Don't mind BMW or Mercedes, Saab Aero does 40-70mph faster than Porsche 911 Turbo."
 
Everyday driving condition is not how fast you can accelerate from 0-60mph. The heart, glory and joy of Saab is power and performance in everyday driving 40-70mph, 50-75mph etc. This is where Saab does it better than any cars, even better than Porsche 911 Turbo (that means BMW and Mercedes stand no chance against Saab in highway passing situation)
 
For the car enthusiasts the sheer overtaking power of Saab is truely special.
 
Why Saab a BBC's Review
Watch the last minute of the video!

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