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Re: Good riddance!! [saablcp]
by blckislandguy
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Apr 16, 2007 (6:33 pm)
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Replying to: saablcp (Apr 16, 2007 7:31 am)
Your post and its logic baffles me. Let me start with my claim that 10K off list is not unheard of. A new Saab 9-3 Aero with some optional equipment has a Moroney of close to 40K. Find one with low demo miles (if the dealer principal is a car guy this is his personal car) and you are into this thing for 8K to 10K off list. A 23 year old kid in my neighborhood bought one just like this from a Boston Saab dealer for 10K off list last week.
Secondly, low new unit sales when has nothing to do with resale. Nothing at all. New Porsche 911 sales are very low yet the car has perhaps the highest resale value in North America. Saabs low resale value is caused by many things (e.g., sales are localized in the Northeast, poor reputation, marginal dealer body, etc. etc.) but not low sales. Saab supposedly has a low resale value but I think this is because it is measured incorrectly. Saab historically has huge factory discounts/lease deals. Much more than the competition. If you compute Saab resale as a percentage of actual transaction price, not MSRP it may not be all that bad.
Finally, I've made many mistakes in life, but certainly one of them was not "... was purchasing a car you apparently only planned on keeping for 3 years." I've never purchased/leased/borrowed a Saab. Period.
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Re: Good riddance!! [hbc75]
by gholst
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Apr 17, 2007 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: hbc75 (Apr 14, 2007 8:12 pm)
I couldn't agree more with the feeling of relief after unloading an '04 9-3 Aero Sedan. The pain of steep depreciation was worth it to get out of a constant nightmare cycle of going to the dealer with endless problems. And a warranty is small comfort when it becomes a game of who will give up trying to fix all of the problems first, you or the dealer. I think the reason for low resale is obvious enough.
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Re: Good riddance!! [blckislandguy]
by saablcp
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Apr 17, 2007 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Apr 16, 2007 6:33 pm)
As some one who actually sells Saabs for a living...I repeat,you cannot buy a NEW, previously UNTITLED Saab 9-3 of any model with a discount of $10,000 off M.S.R.P. I repeat....CANNOT!Saab provides an additional subsidy of $1,000 for a service courtesy car after service of at least 120 days, they provide no subsidy for dealer demos.This would still fall far short of your claimed $10,000. Now here's one point: some dealers title and register Demos for dealer Principals and executives.These cars now are not technically "new" cars....they are titled and sold as used cars,regardless of the fact they are current model year and not "pre-owned " in the usual sense. the selling price would then be impacted on how they deal with cost write-offs internally for tax and other purposes.Once again,even if this is the case,it only applies to a small handful of available cars and is the huge exception ...not the rule as you claim.
I unfortunately combined my reply to the original poster and you into one message....didn't mean to confuse you on purpose.
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Re: Good riddance!! [saablcp]
by blckislandguy
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Apr 17, 2007 (6:34 pm)
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Replying to: saablcp (Apr 17, 2007 12:20 pm)
You clearly know more than I. Let me, though, post a link sometime this winter to ads offerring '07 Saabs at 10K off list.
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Re: Good riddance!! [blckislandguy]
by saablcp
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Apr 18, 2007 (9:21 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Apr 17, 2007 6:34 pm)
We finally agree on one point ...I clearly do know more than you about what you can buy a Saab for in light of the fact that that is what I do for 48+ hours a week.The future post you refer to I assume is based on the fact that,yes ...for about 6 weeks at the end of the year and into January you COULD purchase a Saab 9-5(REPEAT:SAAB 9-5!!!!!) and save as much as $10,000.That amount included $2,000 available ONLY to current Saab owners.I sold a 9-5 to a client at that savings.The same client wanted to purchase a Saab 9-3,not unlike the model you referred to when you started this thread, and put off the purchase when she found out that I could only save her app.$7,000 on that model.Please understand....I sincerely do not care it in fact you think Saabs are the biggest pieces of junk in the automotive universe!If that were your opinion you would be entitled to it and God bless you.....but we are talking facts in this case ,not opinions and until you get your facts straight please try and understand the difference between the two.
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Appreciate Your Input
by fmkgb
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Apr 20, 2007 (1:50 pm)
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Hi,
I'm considering leasing a 2007 9-3 2.0T sedan and would appreciate input from any Saab owners. Previously I've had a C class Mercedes. I'm looking for a good solid reliable car but lower payments than Mercedes. I don't know anyone who currently has a Saab but have spoken with a few people who had Saabs years ago and loved them. What I'm reading on the web & various forums though is that there currently are a lot of issues with Saab in terms of quality control and Saabs needing a lot of repairs. Even though they will be covered by the warranty it is an inconvenience and I know nothing about the quality of service provided by the only Saab dealer nearby. Mercedes also had a lot of quality control problem but my dealer was sensational so it was not a real problem. Do all new cards have such quality problems these days (except Honda) or is this unusual. Also, the Saab I'm considering leasing is a demo with 2500 miles. Do you think the demo (versus a new Saab) is the wrong way to go? It is only a 27 mo least so it will be covered by the warranty and eligble for the free maintenance. Payments are about $50/mo lower than for a new comperable Saab. Any timely input would be greatly appreciated. I need to grab this demo if I decide to go this route.
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Re: Appreciate Your Input [fmkgb]
by jesses1
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Apr 20, 2007 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: fmkgb (Apr 20, 2007 1:50 pm)
Unfortunately, almost all car reliability is a matter of luck. After all, even the Toyota dealer near me has a service and parts department. My 2006 9-3 2.0t has 20000 miles on it, and since I do a lot of stop-and-go I just change the oil every 5K miles and not the 10K in the manual. So far everything is good. Most fun car I ever owned.
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Re: Appreciate Your Input [fmkgb]
by saablcp
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Apr 23, 2007 (5:48 am)
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Replying to: fmkgb (Apr 20, 2007 1:50 pm)
The overlooked aspect of reliability ratings of cars is the fact that future reliability of current model year cars is largely based on the history of that model in the previous 3 to 4 model years.This presupposes the idea that the manufacturer has done nothing in the subsequent model years to address the problems which caused the reliability issue.This is particularly relevant in the case of the Saab 9-3.This model was introduced in 2003 with the same name as the previous 4 model years but was in fact a complete and total redesign of every single element of the car.The first 18 months or so were classic examples of perhaps bringing the model to market prematurely and it became a "lets work out the kinks as we go" scenario.This is largely what these negative reliability ratings are based on.If possible find someone who is driving an '05 or "06 model and get their take on their experience with their cars reliability.My opinion regarding the demo is that it is a very practical way to save money on your lease payment.What difference does it make if your car has 27,000 miles at lease end or 29,500?Plus the car has had a 2,500 mile pre- delivery shake-down cruise for any initial issues,if any,to be dealt with.
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Is this a good deal?
by nishonbaru
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May 14, 2007 (1:45 pm)
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2006 SAAB 9-3 2.0t Black with grey interior. 11,000+- miles, Auto. $18,900. The warrenty would still be good. What about the free scheduled maintenance?
Thanks
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