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Saab 9-3, Sedan
Jan 26, 2004 (8:00 am)
I am coming to the end of my lease on a 2001 Volvo C70 coupe. I like it but it is not practical with a small family...wife, 13 months old kid and a 50lb. dog. I'm down to the 9-3 or the Volvo S60 2.5T (208 hp) FWD or AWD. I like the AWD feature of the volvo that saab doesn't have. I am the primary drive but use the back seat primarily for the car seat for the baby and vizsla. They are both nice cars, but I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. I've driven them both and like them both. Resale is better on the Volvo, back seat bigger in Saab, exterior better on S60......Anybody have thoughts???
#2244 of 3350 Problems with 2003 9-3
Jan 26, 2004 (9:02 am)
I bought a 2003 9-3 Linear about 9 months ago, and since the end of November, I've had it in the dealer 8 times. It's been in a dealer more than I've had it. I've had many problems - onstar malfunction(twice), steering lock malfunction (3 times - once I lost all steering), ABS malfunction (twice), traction control malfunction (twice), stability control failure (twice), brake malfunction (twice) and my check engine light has come on twice. I've had it in three different dealers, and every time they assure me it's fixed, but then a week or so later, the fault codes appear again. I also had an issue where I would barely be moving, but the spedometer would say I was going 70 mph. I've filed a complaint with Saab, but they say this isn't enough to bring it to the legal department to get me out of my contract or a new car. I live in Chicago, so I also get a lot of "it's cold outside" reasons, which makes no sense to me. Has anyone else experienced these problems?
#2245 of 3350 Exterior better on S60??
Jan 26, 2004 (11:40 am)
In all seriousness, you are the first person I have seen say that. In fact, most would say the exterior would be a big plus for Saab. If you dont think so, you may have made your own choice...
I haven't driven the 2.5, but I drove the base S60, which was horribly underpowered. That shouldn't be an issue with the better engine.
I don't think resale value will be much different, especially since the 9-3 is considered a "hot" and should bring the resale up a bit.
Depending on which "form" of 9-3 you get, you may see a big difference in handling, if that matters to you
Jan 26, 2004 (4:43 pm)
1. I prefer Saab styling, handling, value for the money, and even the interior.
2. Oil changes are included, as is all scheduled maintenance, for the first 3 years I believe.
3. You expecting some angry patients to break them?
4. It won't be as trouble free as an Acura, probably, but there are a lot of old Saabs still out there.
5. The Linear has good power, but like any 4 cylinder turbo, some lag is there. Less lag than the arc/aero engines though, I have read, since the turbo is smaller and spools up faster. Not in Acura TL class, though.
6. No, the auto manual is slow to respond, like almost all of them are. But if you want to make sure you're in the right gear for a passing situation, it comes in handy.
7. Sound on 300w has been described as disappointing on Saab owner boards. And it is very hard to upgrade w/o spending some money at a good shop that knows their stuff. It's not terrible, however.
8. They're my favorite sedan seats. Had a couple of BMW 540i's (sport seat and regular) and they were too narrow for my back. The seats won us over.
9. After 14 months still really like it. Combines sporty performance without the snobby image that the others can have. The Acura is better in terms of interior, stereo, reliability, and power, but that's on paper, I haven't driven one. But with discounts available a linear would cost much less. Depreciation is steep, however, so be sure you want it long term. Brakes are awesome and it feels as solid and stable at 90mph as at 30.
#2248 of 3350 Saab reliability
Jan 26, 2004 (8:13 pm)
I owned my 9-3 for almost 3 years. I found that its initial quality was not so good. It got several minor to medium problems in the first year. However, it seems to be fine after the first year (after I had the dealer fixed the problems).
I still like to drive the 9-3, especially driving on highways. Yes, it is very stable even at 80 or 90mph. It's liked it asked me to give it more gas because the engine is so smooth (city driving is just ok). I am kind of "attached" to my car. It's a different kind of driving experience than driving my old Altima. I can enjoy my driving in my Saab.
Jan 27, 2004 (5:25 am)
7. Sound on 300w has been described as disappointing on Saab owner boards. And it is very hard to upgrade w/o spending some money at a good shop that knows their stuff. It's not terrible, however.<<
I have the 300W system, and was basically satisfied. But I found out switching to some high efficiency speakers make s abig difference, at a small cost. So I upagraded the front 3.5", and rear 4" and 6x9" to some Infinity's and JBL's. All for $175, and a couple hours of my labor. Makes a world of difference. I'm also gonna upgrade the 4" front (I just found a shallow mount speaker) for an addditional $30. Soo 200 bucks for a big improvement. No need for any further upgrades, IMO
#2250 of 3350 parking brake, among other issues
Jan 28, 2004 (7:55 am)
I have an '03 9-3 Arc 6-speed with barely 6,000 miles on it. Love the way it looks, the way it drives, and the equipment on it. But ...
My parking brake wouldn't release this morning, and the car is on its way to the dealer (40 miles away) as I write this.
This is probably the worst car quality-wise I've ever had. Among the problems I was going to have addressed at the first oil change (but will now have addressed today):
- memory seat that won't retain a seat position
- keyless entry that has a mind of its own (sometimes it will unlock on the first try, sometimes it will blink the lights, but not unlock, sometimes the lights will come on, and stay on, and sometimes the lights blink, the doors unlock, and the alarm goes off when I open the door)
- alarm that goes off from time to time when the trunk is opened
- clutch/ignition interlock that won't allow car to be started unless the clutch is to the floor, and sometimes won't engage the starter until after 2 or 3 tries
- rattles ... mainly the plastic end caps on the dash that are both loose and vibrate badly
Since none of this stuff (with the exception of the parking brake) happens all the time, I doubt the dealer will be able to fix any of it.
Sad. You would think a $30,000 + car would be a little better built.
Jan 28, 2004 (1:57 pm)
I am looking to buy a 2002 9-3 and not finding any manual transmissions. Is there a problem with the manuals or a reason to prefer the autos? Haven't read any posts discussing the two, but it seems that people are selling a ton of the autos.....makes me wonder...I have always had manual and feel kind of bored driving an auto.
#2252 of 3350 Speaker upgrades for 9-3
Jan 29, 2004 (8:05 am)
Ted, you offered the following suggestions on upgrading your speakers "I have the 300W system, and was basically satisfied. But I found out switching to some high efficiency speakers make s abig difference, at a small cost. So I upagraded the front 3.5", and rear 4" and 6x9" to some Infinity's and JBL's. All for $175, and a couple hours of my labor. Makes a world of difference. I'm also gonna upgrade the 4" front (I just found a shallow mount speaker) for an addditional $30. Soo 200 bucks for a big improvement. No need for any further upgrades, IMO".
I have an '03 Linear, which of course doesn't have the 300W system or the rear 6X9's. Could you plse answer the following questions for me:
- How does one get at the frnt 3.5 and 4" speakers to replace them ?
- Do you know if my car is wired for the 6X9's in the back, or failing that, can I simply put 6X9's in and hook them to the wires run for the existing 4" speakers?
- Can you plse provide the Brand and P/N for each of the speakers that you actually used, along w/any tips as to where you were able to find them at ?