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#786 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [amad1]
Aug 21, 2008 (4:26 am)
I own a 2003 Mercedes C230 Kompressor, I've been having problems w/ my veh since I purchased it. My veh has 122 k miles. I've paid thousands of dollars in reprs. Warranty ran out 50k miles. From the first months of ownership I complained about the reving type jumping of the vehicle & it was expln'd that the veh was idling properly & that's just the way it sounds & feels. I just recently found out by reading the shops copy of documentation that it was noted my veh surges while stopped or in prk. I have had just about every sensor, adjuster & hoses replaced & still no luck. This is not what i expected from a mercedes. Pls help. melon law contacted too late.
2003 Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor 1.8 Liter
Everything, several diagnosis that differ for the most part. (2)Mercedes Prts Mgrs who discouraged me from purchasing a mass airflow sensor and "another" engine harness. Both of which stated some of the prts i was claimimg to have had repaired were prts uncommonly needed for such an early model veh & for a Mercedes none the less. Both Prts Mgrs went over to the Service Dept, checked my veh history & had a lengthly conversation w/ the Mercedes Service Mgr. I was promised a follow up by the fellow who oversees the Mercedes Service Dept but it's been 5 weeks & no f/u. I had my veh in yesterday & the f/u conversation was supposed to take place then but of course I was told Bob Walls just left? I'm not sure why he never called me yesterday or the days prior to yesterday. I purchased the mercedes expecting exceptional quality. I figured i was getting what mercedes promises " A Great Quality Veh." What i have rec'd is far from it. I've kept all receipts & service records if needed. My vehicle repair histories extensive.
#787 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 21, 2008 (7:17 am)
So... in short: your vehicle's revs surge while sitting still. Is this correct?
How much of a variation are we talking about? Does it jump from 750 at idle to 1000? Or is it more significant? Any other problems or repercussions of this problem?
#788 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [qbrozen]
Aug 21, 2008 (7:53 am)
Good morning qbrozen, thank u for responding.
Yes i was unaware of what it was called (surging) until Tues Aug. 19th after reading the dealerships copy of the paperwrk. (This was not noted on my copy???). I have reported this problem for (3)yrs now by describing what it sounds & feels like. I even noted how the lgts tend to dim & how the ac or heater power dulls when this happens but for the past 3 yrs i was told by the dlrshp that nothing happened when they test drove the veh. I disputed their findings & confirmed what was happening just by starting the vhe in frt of them. It sounds like a put put once it's running for a while, on the start up it sounds like it's taking deep breaths gasping for air & after going over 45 for any length of time it gets worse. I haven't driven on the hwy for over a year because it will shutr off once i'm back to drvg thru the city & have times found myself putting the veh in neutral when stopped & lightly rev'g the gas so no-one hears it. But if your in the veh its putts causing the occupants to slightly bounce fwd & back. Let me not forget the smell they claimed they never smelled before my warranty ran. rgt after my warranty ran it was checked for the smell & wrk was done my expense even though it was an ongoing problem.
The dlrshp one point had my veh longer than I had it avail to me to drive
I've paid just as much in repr costs as i have for the veh itself. I've never had a veh give me problems like this, none the less straight out the gate. Prev vehs owned: Lincoln Town car, Chevy cavalier, Corvette and a Chrysler Sebring.
#789 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 21, 2008 (8:16 am)
what kind of smell? is it possibly a bit like rotten eggs? If so, sounds like you may have a bad catalytic converter.
So its an '03 with 122k miles and you've been complaining about it for 3 years. But you said you've had problems since it was new? Or did you buy it used? If used, how many miles did it have when you bought it? Was this the same problem the whole time? Was it not noticeable on the test drive prior to purchase?
I'm just trying to narrow it down a bit more. At first, it sounded like a vacuum leak, but then you mentioned the dimming lights, which is an indication that the engine is trying to stall. So right now, its sounding like a catalytic converter. But if that went bad very early on, then there is something else wrong that caused the cat to fail.
You need to tell us all of the repairs that have been done thus far to try to correct the problem.
#790 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [qbrozen]
Aug 21, 2008 (10:08 am)
I purchased my Mercedes 2003 C230 Kompressor June 28th 2003 w/ 39 miles on it:
First A service & compaint reported:
09-18-03 6k miles Door seal coming off & hesitation/banging out of park &idiling too high
Mind you i did not know the proper terminology of what was happening I only descrbed to the Service Dept what I was experiencing & they gave it a description/name.
MB advised veh was operating as designed.
3-24-04 18k miles. Service A. Also service reset was not performed during last service.
9-2-04 29k miles. Service B
11-9-04 34k miles. Exterior Bulb Failure.
MB determined electrical problem.
2-10-05 41k miles Service A & hdlamp repair, taillamp bulb & wipers . Brakes & rotors.
4-21-05 46k bulbs r/f hdlamp & brake pad warning
I believe this service write up is **key** because it was handwritten on a carbon copy form real small, not on the normal computer generated print out & only given because i req'd my receipt. The Tech also failed to write my cars actual mileage on the date of service. But as you can see it was w/i the warranty time period!!!!
***05-07-05 Check engine lgt on (warranty) no note on what was wrong or done to fix the problem & my reason for bringing the veh in was not listed either***
6-1-05 49k cracked strut bushings repr'd
7-19-05 Coolant warning lamp 54k miles slightly low no leaks
Brake warning lgt on, MB Service Dept recommended new brakes, I then advised them that i had just had new brakes put on in May???
They replaced the rgt frt brake wire sensor & reg service a was performed
7-20-05 veh returned for the smell & servuce counter reset
MB replaced leaking oil filter housing
Veh has gone in several times for sunroof problems and bulb problems around the outside of the veh.
MB repr'd bulb problems several times w/ cable & wiring harness installations. MB replaced wind deflector arm, linkage & repaired sliding roof elect function. Prkg brake peddle & plastic on bthe rgt sd under the passenger seat fell off.
8-18-05 Low oil indicator & burning smell reported 57k
MB returned the veh stating no fault found/no leaking & oil level was correct
10-12-05 62k Check engine lgt on
MB repaired/replaced fuel pump fuel filter & advised if check engine lgt comes back on veh will need a mass air flow sensor, rec'd credit for bulb wrk needed again which should have been cov'd under orig warranty.
11-7-05 Car running poorly, ?'d spark plug issue. 63k
MB found Crankcase breather hose split, replaced hose, reset misfire & adaptation codes. Completed service B
12-20-05 66k. Complaint Running poorly.
MB stated same was due to a sticking valve. Replaced all exhaust valve springs & valve springs.
1-02-06 Check engine lgt on & off stutters wants to stop 67k miles.
MB states compression leakage, R&R cylinder head leakage, gasket cover, expansion pl & seal rings
4-22-06 75k miles A service
6-9-06 Check engine lgt on 79k miles.
MB replaced faulty oxygen sensor & sender unit
8-14-06 84k miles. Check engine lgt on & burnt oil smell complaint.
MB replaced 02 sensor after catalytic convertor & sender unit. MB could not duplicate burnt oil smell ?
10-5-06 89k miles. Engine lgt was on again, along w/ the oil lgt & brake lgts.
MB replaced the coolant sensor, cleared codes & replaced the coolant fitting the reservoir. Tech advised oil level was ok & adjusted level from 3/4's. MB noted brakes were new & reset brake warning indicator.
6-18-07 107k miles. Same complaint rough ride/idle
MB replaced #1 Ignition coil & suggested other coils soon.
7-03-07 101k miles. Same complaint engine running rough.
MB replaced coolant temp & thermostat sensors & suggested possible add'l coil replacement.
2-20-08 118k miles. Same Complaint check engine lgt, burning smell & puttering.
MB noted camshaft adjuster leak, oil in engine harness, belts & mass airflow sensor needed.
Caring for my mom who recently passed away from Pancreatic Cancer & was unable to have prts ordered & repaired ubntil June/July wromg prts were given on the first trip.
Rec'd (2) other diagnosis that differed from Dealerships noted in first post.
8-19-08 recall wrk was performed,& meeting w/ MB Rep that oversees the shop who never showed as previously discussed.
***Pls also note that I copied another message written on the dealers copy of my wrk orderr Tues noting Air inlet pipe turn/ some current codes***
This was not written on my customer copy & while speaking w/ the prts dept the following day to ? the cost of the prts & this procedure they stated that the air inlet pipe could not be turned....
Outside repairs completed:
11-13-04 prt# 203-670-60-12 SOPBU SIDE W
3-28-06 brakes prt#003-420-59-20
10-5-06 frt & rear pads replaced
4-6-07 Oil change & Coolant temp sensor
5-21-07 Spark plugs
5-24-07 prt#000-159-49-42 SOM111
11-7-07 oil change
6-12-08 Inspection lamp bulb replacement & wheel lug bolt
7-1-08 Serpentine/fan belt, seals & (2) camshaft adjusters along w/ reg service/oil change & 2 bulb replacements.
All Service A & B operations have always been completed on time,.
Tires always purchased thru Just Tirws w/ warranty throughout my vehs life.
***PLS NOTE I HAVE MORE RECEIPTS BUT THERE OUT IN THE CAR****
#791 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 21, 2008 (10:39 am)
Wow. It sounds like your dealer is not very cooperative about all of these issues. I'd talk with somebody from MB USA head office, and discuss aboiut the times you brought it in for work, and they didn't log in what the problem or solution was.
I'm surprised you're still holding on to the car after all of this.
I'd sell the car as it's out of warranty, and it's going to start costing you even more. Cut your losses, stop chasing after incompetent service advisors and managers who can't figure out your problem, and get yourself some thing reliable.
#792 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [boomchek]
Aug 21, 2008 (11:28 am)
Yes, I wish. My car has sentimental value that I'm trying to grow up & get past. ( I purchased this veh for my Mom who recently passed & hated to drive. It's funny we both hated/hate to drive but used to travel many miles together. Not only did we carpool but hung out together.My car is paid off & i was trying to avoid having to start making pymts again. W/o my mom I have picked up her bills along w/ mine until I can sell her home I will not be in a position to purchase any costly items.
And did I mention I lost my full time job while caring for my mom & am currently only wrk'g my part time job. Not to pour it on I have to pay a sister to keep an eye on my older brother who is MR but very street smart but he has epilepsy (uncontrolled drop falls) which we do not allow him to bath, cook or hangout on his own anymore.
GOD WILL PROVIDE
Thank you guys for trying to help
I'm gonna keep researching this
#793 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 21, 2008 (12:47 pm)
All I can say is good luck.
Keeping a car for sentimental value might make sense if that car is not going to make you bankrupt.
I had a similiar situation with my 01 C2450 where it was costing me a ton of money to keep it on the road. Small things kept breaking, and I finally got rid of it. The repairs and problems are not going to stop. They'll sto only if you replace the car or park it and not drive it.
The sooner you get rid of it the better you'll feel about it, trust me.
#794 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 21, 2008 (4:24 pm)
It does sound related to the catalytic converter. Either the converter itself being bad or excessive fuel through the cylinders into the converter. The excessive fuel would would cause extra catalytic action causing a back pressure essentially choking the engine.
If it gets worse as you drive, I'd guess excessive fuel...possibly a vacuum valve with a leaking diaphragm in the fuel system.
If the 'surging' remains relatively constant, I'd guess the catalytic converter itself.
Either one would cause the emissions to be off. Can you get an emissions check to see what that might point to?
#795 of 886 Re: Used 07 C230 [rellware]
Aug 22, 2008 (6:40 am)
This just gets more and more complicated.
I'm with boomcheck. It looks like you've been the victim of a pisspoor service department.
For vacuum and/or cat problems, there are a couple of things you could do yourself if you are so inclined. First thing is the cat. If it is clogged and causing problems, it will typically get very hot very fast. If left running for a while, it may even GLOW red. This is one thing to keep an eye on. At the same time, you can check the exhaust coming out the tailpipe. Make sure it really is coming out in full force. I know, its not easy to tell or even fullproof, but worth a check. As for vacuum leaks, ye ole method is to take a can of starting fluid and spray a little bit at a time around the various seals and hoses. If the engine races quickly and briefly, you've found your leak. Just make sure the engine isn't too hot when doing this. We don't want any ignition of the starting fluid outside the engine should you happen to spray it on something too hot (like the exhaust manifold).