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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [lagniappe1] by dwynne
Jan 15, 2008 (11:23 am)
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Replying to: lagniappe1 (Jan 11, 2008 7:34 am)

The best is to use the OEM HID lights that are standard on sports pack and up RX-8s. If you have a base model, you may can retrofit the OEM HID lights to them, but it will not be cheap.
 
None of the aftermarket "xenon" bulbs will really produce more light than new, OEM style halogen capsules. The only way to get more light is to use higher wattage bulbs (but this would fry the wiring if you don't use relays) or install an aftermarket HID kit. Both of these options are probably not legal.
 
You could add aftermarket driving lights, that would probably be your best, cheapest, and most legal method for getting more light when you are out on the open road.
 
Dennis
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [dwynne] by plekto
Jan 15, 2008 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: dwynne (Jan 15, 2008 11:23 am)

A small 10W or so increase is safe, but most of the aftermarket bulbs use visual trickery to make them appear brighter by coloring the light to be bluer. IIRC, there is a ~10W or so bit of leeway. So while OEM usually are 55W, you can go up to 60 or 65W(see below though)
 
Tests done in France have shown that visibility is actually best with slightly yellow tinted light and despite the apparent brightness of blueish light, it scatters and projects far worse than longer wavelengths. So it turns out the old sealed beams and OEM lights are best.*
 
*99% of cars come from the factory with substandard wiring harnesses. Upgrading the wiring to your lights is a good weekend project and will increase your light output greatly. A headlamp operating at 11V can literally be half as bright as 12V, especially with HID designs. People spend all sorts of money on higher output bulbs when the wiring is most likely at fault.
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [plekto] by maltb
Jan 16, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 15, 2008 1:06 pm)

"*99% of cars come from the factory with substandard wiring harnesses. Upgrading the wiring to your lights is a good weekend project and will increase your light output greatly. A headlamp operating at 11V can literally be half as bright as 12V, especially with HID designs. People spend all sorts of money on higher output bulbs when the wiring is most likely at fault."
 
That's an interesting premise, but do you have some data to support that claim? It would seem that if the wire were substandard, the heat generated by the wire's resistance could create a safety issue. I'd be surprised that automotive electrical engineers would over-look this.
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [maltb] by aviboy97
Jan 17, 2008 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Jan 16, 2008 9:06 am)

When you put hotter burning bulbs, like aftermarket HIDs, in your vehicle, and don't change the wiring harnesses, you stand the chance to melt the harness, and then have to get it replaced. I see it quite often.
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [maltb] by plekto
Jan 17, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Jan 16, 2008 9:06 am)

The wiring isn't substandard from a safety standpoint, it's just that they use the smallest gauge that gets the job done(bigger wires cost more money). As a result, you often get situations where the lights need X amps and you get 80% of that. It's within specs for the U.S. market, so they do it to save some money.
 
Add in after-market bulbs in an attempt to compensate and things start pushing the limits. The wires themselves would need 2-3 times the current to actually fail/catch on fire - it's the relays and such that blow first.
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [aviboy97] by maltb
Jan 18, 2008 (3:29 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 17, 2008 3:12 pm)

I wasn't talking about hotter bulbs; neither was he.
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [plekto] by maltb
Jan 18, 2008 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 17, 2008 3:17 pm)

I understand that larger wire costs more and that they will use what is adequate, but I disagree that the bulb is being supplied with 80% of its demand.
 
I'm familiar enough with the business to know that this would not be the case and, in fact, a margin of over-specification is added.
 
Of course, if you have a roll of 12 guage wire and an ammeter, you could always test it and post your results of OE spec vs. Monster Cable (headlight wire of course).
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [maltb] by plekto
Jan 19, 2008 (9:58 am)
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Replying to: maltb (Jan 18, 2008 3:40 pm)

Monster Cable is a gimmick, actually. All that matters is the gauge. Most headlights are wired up with 16 gauge wire when they really should be running 14 or 12. The makers don't care as long as it will work and not cause a safety issue. So you end up with wiring that is running at exactly 12V. The issue is as the wire ages, it goes from being just at that limit(cost cutting after all) to 11.5V and then 11V and so on. Often within a few months. Many makers ship cars that are already at 11.5V or so and don't care.
 
ie - the headlights light up and everything works and they saved some money. Also, running the bulbs undervoltage a bit, as long as they are within the spec for minimum wattage(technically 45W for a high beam, though 55W is considered standard) makes them last a bit longer, so you can use cheaper bulbs. Running 12V lamps at 11.5 drops their output by about 15-20% on average, but doubles their life.
 
So shipping the car with 11.5V lights that put out 50W instead of 55W, well, that still gets a pass by the DOT for light output and you saved a few dollars per car.
 
Kind of like OEM tires and brakes. It's something that works at a minimally acceptable level but that should be replaced as soon as possible if you're driving something other than a sportscar/it came with those upgrades.
 
Unfortunately the wiring harness isn't something that the average person can swap out like tires(okay they CAN, but for most people if it's not as simple as a screwdriver and a socket/plug they don't bother - go figure) Instead they typically get brighter bulbs. After all, it's $20 at the local Auto Zone and there's a huge wall of them all proclaiming how they will make your lights brighter...
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Re: RX8 Headlight Bulbs [plekto] by maltb
Jan 22, 2008 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 19, 2008 9:58 am)

Maybe I'll need to do the test myself to get the answer.
 
Anyone have a nice inductive ammeter I can borrow?
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4 FOULED PLUGS by bullwinkle fan
Feb 05, 2008 (1:22 pm)
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My dealer tells me the ruff idle and miss is do to trailing coil and plugs gone bad " under warranty" BUT leading plugs are bad and not covered because there are fouled. Could the bad trailing coil and plugs have caused the leading plugs to go bad ? They want $320.00 for parts and labor for replacing leading plugs even tho they are right there replacing trailing plugs and coil !!! I mentioned this idle and miss to them 4 mo's ago and all they said was that its all controled by the computer.

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