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Mazda RX-8, Coupe
#3196 of 3618 Re: Dilemma on Purchase [stevenmor]
Jan 31, 2006 (2:28 am)
Well in the Mazda inventory search at several dealers, the Grand Touring RX-8 AT MSRP lists at $29K. Obviously a $7K discount is optimistic, but as the opening bid in a negotiations, it seems a fairly reasonable place to start.
But there are stories about really big price drops on 2004 models last year when the 2005 models actually arrived. Dealers have lots of incentives to move out the older stock.
#3197 of 3618 Re: Dilemma on Purchase [trispec]
Jan 31, 2006 (7:53 am)
The gas millage number for the highway 25MPG is not going to change.
well, we'll see how it all translates into real-world mixed-driving mileage. Could be significant (or might not change, like you said). Its going to depend alot, of course, on driving habits, conditions, etc. In any case, the 6-speed should have POTENTIAL for improved mileage.
So gimmee a 4 speed AT for a $7000 discount any day.
the original poster said a few grand. At $7k, i'd also have to give it serious thought. Then again, even at those savings, you couldn't get me to buy a 4-speed AT. It would absolutely have to be the stick.
#3198 of 3618 Re: Dilemma on Purchase [stevenmor]
Jan 31, 2006 (2:46 pm)
I picked up my blue '05 RX8 a few weeks ago for just about 7k under sticker. It has the 1GT package and the spare tire. This is in the DC Metro area. Some of the dealers are offering discounts on some weekends, but not all of them.
what a sweet car this is!
#3199 of 3618 Re: Dilemma on Purchase [qbrozen]
Jan 31, 2006 (3:39 pm)
Having rationalized the purchase of an RX-8 AT 4 speed for such a long time now, it's a mental game to even think about 6 speeds AT or MT. The main question would seem to be did the ratios of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th get within 1000 RPM of each other. Right now 1st, 2nd and 3rd plus over drive are about 1200 RPM apart. 4th with it's over drive seems to equal 5th and 6th on the six speeds.
Right now 1st will go to 50MPH, 2nd to 70MPH, 3rd to 110MPH and 4th goes to 140MPH (never been there though). It'd be nice to see the numbers for the 6 speeds.
#3200 of 3618 Re: Dilemma on Purchase [timbmayb]
Jan 31, 2006 (5:13 pm)
$7K under sticker would be almost impossible for me to turn down. I'm looking for black with the GT package.
Jan 31, 2006 (10:03 pm)
The Base model with automatic shoudl be close to $20K, then.
I thought it over and I think a 4-speed would be just fine, actually. The 4-speed I test drove a few months ago was lightning fast in and out of traffic, so I wonder other than having two tall overdrive gears, exactly how much improvement a 6 speed will have.
My guess is they'll move 1st gear to 30mph, 2nd to 50, 3rd to 80, and so on, which would mean shifting in city traffic and to pass on the highway a lot. Gas mileage aside, being able to downshift and whomp on it in 3rd gear all the way up to as fast as you need - that's slick.
Feb 01, 2006 (11:08 am)
Does anyone know what the dealer holdback is on the RX-8?
#3203 of 3618 MY TEST DRIVE& QUESTION FOR AUTOMATIC OWNERS
Feb 02, 2006 (7:18 pm)
I went for my test drive of the automatic RX8 tonight. I was really looking forward to it and brought my 12 yr old so I could see how much room he'd have for those times he had to ride in the back. Unfortunately, I left rather underwhelmed. I've narrowed my search to the RX8 and Cooper S, both with autos, but I hadn't driven either. The RX8 was the first of the two I've taken for a test drive.
First, having nothing to do with the car, the salesman knew NOTHING about the car. I asked him if the increased output in the '06 was due to changes to the engine or a result of the new hp measurements. His response, "they changed how the engine puts the power down to the rear". What the HECK does that mean? Of course, when we first met, he greeted me with a, "Sup?"
I was happy to feel the pep the car had with 3 full sized people in the car (my son is 5'11") and the a/c on. My old 12A RX7 was decidedly slow with 2 people and a/c on. The suspension felt nice and taut and the steering weighting felt good. I didn't find the brakes grabby at all despite posts I've read on that. I was surprised by the lack of headroom for me even with the seat lowered all the way down and I'm only 5'11". It was tight. The car had a sunroof so I'm sure that takes room away, but I didn't think it should be that tight. The transmisison is what really left me disappointed. That was my fear. I can't drive manual due to my knee and I was hoping this new generation of autos with some driver input would be a good development.
Here's what I experienced and my question to auto owners out there: What I expected from the tranny was actually very little. All I expected was that it would respond to MY inputs without question unless doing so would harm the engine, like if I asked it to downshift if it would cause overrevving. Once fully warmed, I drove at 40 mph. I was in 4th and changed to 3rd and then 2nd. It was fine. I then went back up to 4th. Fine again. Then, while still at 40 mph in 4th, I quickly shifted 2nd. The car said NO! The digital display quickly showed 3rd and then 2nd, but the transmission stayed in 3rd and the display went from 2nd to 3rd. I shifted to 4th and tried again. Nope. Did it a third time and this time it DID go to 2nd. Tried it again and it stayed in 3rd. I turned to the salesman and asked what was going on. He said he didn't know. He watched the dash display go down to 2nd but then go back to 3rd since the tranny only shifted down to 3rd. Now, I never pressed on the accelerator at all. I kept the pedal in the same spot doing 40 mph. Is this normal? It shifted fine if I went down with 2nd with maybe 2 seconds between shifts, but if I asked for a quick pop down to 2nd, it refused 3 out of 4 times? I only test drove this one car so maybe it's peculiar to this one? Perhaps a software glitch? I was just really ticked because I like the car (as much as you can before driving it)and my only concern was the auto trans. I was so disgusted that it wouldn't do what it was asked to, we just drove back to the dealership and I left. Maybe overreacting a bit, but I'm really disappointed. For a car that lists at almost 30k and claims to be so sporty, I'm very surprised. Once I drive the Cooper, I'll have to drive the RX8 one more time.
So, auto owners, can you duplicate my issue? I'm hoping that it was just a weird thing to this car and not a common "problem".
Thanks for any reply,
Feb 02, 2006 (10:00 pm)
Sorry to hear. The car drove fine for me, and I did a 3rd to 1st shift accidently(overshot 2nd) and it happily revved to 6000rpm at 30mph.
Were you using the shifter or the paddles on the wheel? I find that the shifter itself is spot-on. As for driving, 40mph in 4th with the older transmission is definately lugging the engine. I left it in 2nd for most of my test-drive, with one quick burst into 3rd at 60mph on a straight road.
The 6 speed definately should do better. Give it another try in a few weeks.
#3205 of 3618 Re: MY TEST DRIVE& QUESTION FOR AUTOMATIC OWNERS [rbrooks3athome]
Feb 03, 2006 (12:16 am)
Yep, my 4 speed auto manages all aspects of the shifting. Keep in mind, a computer is actually doing the shifting, not the human. The human provides input via the paddles, but there's other data that the computer considers, which may, over ride the human input. I made the error of shifting the AT to park while moving once and the computer said NO, you don't want to do that.
There's is an sensor that detects momentum forces and traction control potential, even at low speeds, which does over ride my choice of which gear to shift to. Even if you try to turn off DSC, the computer will still watch and interrupt your selections.
When Jet pilots went through the transition of flying hydrolic to fully electronic controls (they call it steam driven verses glass) there were years of aguments as some pilots complained they were being cut out of the direct control. They even said a computer was being placed between them and life threatening critical situations.
Today, however, pilots, military and civilian, pretty much agree, the computers make the act of flying thousands of times safer. It's also easier and more comfortable. New steam driven jets haven't been made for years now.