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#2950 of 3618 Re: Sales figures..... [roar1]
Oct 12, 2005 (9:43 am)
Just curious. Does anyone know what the average monthly sales are for the RX-8 ?
Nissan sells ( on average ) about 2000 350 Z's / month. I realize that these two vehicles don't compete with each other directly but they are both what I consider to be niche vehicles. Is there a Mazda website for sales figures ??
Mazda could only WISH for z numbers. In numbers sold the Z blows the 8 into the weeds and if you add the G35 coupe and the Z it becomes a REAL spanking
Heck, the low-volume "halo car" S2000 has now out-sold the RX-8 for the year so far! The S2000 sales were spurred by a discounted lease program - but Mazda had a discounted lease program going as well.
Too bad Ford does not break out the Mustang by GT and v-6, since I would be curious as to how the v-8 GT did.
When folks go to plunk down $30k or more for a sports car they have lots of choices, and I much as I love the looks and driving dynamics of my RX-8 I can see why sales are slow: TERRIBLE mileage, flooding problem, rotary "differences", Mazda dealer network, first year problems and recalls, etc. But I think the biggest thing is just the other choices - you can get a v-8 Mustang that gets better mileage (on regular), is faster/quicker, and handles decent (score one for the RX-8!) for the same or less money. You DO see tons of them on the road (score another for the RX-8).
Here are the numbers for September 2005.
Model 9/2005 9/2004 change YTD 05 YTD 04 change
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RX-8 1,148 651 76% 5,929 7,525 -21%
350Z 1,963 2,158 -9.0% 21,325 23,939 -10.5%
G35 Cpe 1,993 2,188 -8.9% 20,283 22,084 -7.8%
S2000 659 482 36.7% 6,533 5,835 12.5%
Mustang 10,976 6,333 73.3% 128,485 94,468 36.0%
EDIT: I think the RX-8 sales numbers are WRONG. As of July 2005 Mazda was reporting 9,498 RX-8s sold, so unless they gave a LOT of folks their money back they listed the numbers wrong. I think those are MIATA numbers. The RX-8 numbers may be:
"RX-8" 949 1,827 -48% 11,592 19,226 -40%
They crossed up the Miata and RX-8 sales numbers, it appears.
FYI, I account for 1 each in the YTD 2005 totals for the RX-8 and the S2000
#2951 of 3618 regarding Mustang GT numbers.....
Oct 12, 2005 (1:40 pm)
Sales numbers for the '05 Mustang GT were roughly 32% of total Mustang volume of 190,000 units. That means Ford sold about 61,000 '05 Mustang GTs. '06s are just hitting the streets over the past few weeks, so no numbers are available.
I wouldn't slam the RX8 so much, however. Don't know what the 350Z numbers have been, but it's clear their are a lot more of them on dealer's lots than there was a couple of years ago. I'll assume their numbers have drifted downward, too.
The S2000 is a "niche" vehicle much like the RX8.
Having lived with both the Mustang GT and the RX8, the Mustang isn't real finicky. You fire it up and go. And, it does go like a bat out of hell.
And yes, I do get better MPG on regular gas with the Mustang than I did with the RX8 burining premium (about 17-18 MPG in town and about 23-24 MPG on the highway).
It can't match the handling finesse of the RX8, but is a lot faster and dare I say, just as comfy. But, my guess is, you'd be able to buy an rX8 for less money than a Mustang GT right now. There isn't any Ford $$ support on the GT. Nor, is there much discounting from MSRP on them, either.
They really are two different cars. The GT makes wonderful V8 muscle car noises and has the performance to back it up. The RX8 is a scalpel to carve up roads. Id say that Ford has learned a thing or two about "tightening" up the Mustang from Mazda, to boot.
It's not all about straight line acceleration, though. As we debated ad infinitum with the GTO crowd (which in '04 guise was a tad slower than the Mustang GT and the '05 GTO a tad faster), the entire package has to be taken into account. Ford keeps selling and cranking out Mustang GTs at a breakneck pace, while GM isn't even sure there will be much of a future for the GTO since it's been such a disappointment.
If the MAzda team did indeed get the "buggaboos" sorted out with the RX8, it's sales will only be helped by upping it's performance. The rest of the package (styling, braking, steering, shifting, ride, etc) is just fine.
#2952 of 3618 Re: Updates [graphicguy]
Oct 12, 2005 (1:49 pm)
There isn't any info. on the car (I named it incorrectly - it's a "concept car" at this stage). I don't subscribe to the argument that some "hybrids" are or are not "true" hybrids. That's an elitist concept. If it can run on electricity or gas, then it's a hybrid in my books.
Actually, the hybrid renesis wouldn't have a flooding problem. The electric motor that drives the car in a hybrid is used to "start" the gasoline (or diesel) engine by just using an electric "clutch" between them. So the rotary would be "started" at over 2000 RPM - which equates to near perfect combustion chamber sealing. Remember, the main reason the RX-8 floods is at 250 RPM (starting speed) the seals perform poorly, meaning they can't eject unburnt or unvaporized fuel from the chambers - it builds up and results in flooding once it soaks the plugs.
One little known fact is the current engine has plugs installed on "ports" that could be used to inject oil into the combustion chambers to allow a quick recovery from flooding. We have been considering using these to allow starting when at -30 deg. (the car is very suseptable to flooding when it gets that cold - even with the new programming). We have only flooded ours once when it was that cold, and even when boosted by a tow truck it wouldn't start. It had to be towed into a warm garage before it could be re-started. If you've never lived in a climate such as ours (Edmonton Alberta Canada) you can't imagine how "uncomfortable" it is trying to get a vehicle started at these temps., ankle deep in snow, frost on all surfaces. Even we say "YUCK"! A little digression just so everyone understands why some people will put up with hurricanes.
I'm not sure the current chassis design could be made into a convertible, as there are "tubes" made up in the body (particularly around the side doors - both top and bottom) that are required to give the car it's rigidity. If you cut the top tube the car would severely distort. There is always an engineering solution of course, but could they sell enough to make it practical to produce?
What the RX-7 offers over the RX-8 is pure uncompromized performance. It is hard to drive (because many of us can't handle the performance), it is uncomfortable (rough ride), and impractical (seats only two - very little cargo space). BUT, it goes from 0-60 in under 5 sec., will go faster than any public highway will tolerate, and is SEXY! And that is why it's replacement is wanted by current owners. I like the RX-8. It handles at least as well as my RX-7, but if you ever get a chance to ride in a 3rd gen RX-7, you'll understand just how much "performance" the RX-8 is missing. We want that with the RX-8 handling and braking. That is what we expect if a new RX-7 is brought to market.
#2953 of 3618 Re: I find the tire pressure sensor system .... [lhess]
Oct 12, 2005 (4:04 pm)
if your light is on every morning, then your tires are LOW! inflate them to the proper temperature in the morning! you're driving on low pressure, you're sacrificing gas mileage and wearing your tires more aggressively and less normally (+ sacrificing handling as well).
tire pressure goes up while driving (normal), and that's why your lights go out when you start driving. the warm tire pressures are typically 4-6psi higher.
afaik, the light goes on if the pressure falls below 26psi... that's way too low. inflate your tires to 32psi (i think that's the recommended pressure) in the morning, so it's cold temperature. don't inflate your tires after driving.. let the tires cool down for 4 or more hours.
#2954 of 3618 Re: regarding Mustang GT numbers..... [graphicguy]
Oct 12, 2005 (4:27 pm)
Owned an RX-7 in 1987 and a Mustang 5.0 in 1991. All I can tell you is that only RX-7 called out to my soul over the years, even though the Mustang 5.0 killed the RX-7 in most every way except twisties. Driving, no COMMUNING with the RX-7, rotary revving, sweet design, nimble intelligent road manners just held a sacred place in my head. My Mustang 5.0 was just junk. Driving the 5.0 was nothing but work and the seats and suspension were the most uncomfortable I've ever owned.
Today, I feel the same way. My RX-8 makes me feel fantastic just sliding into the seats. I feel intelligent and stone cold cool starting her up pulling out on the road, twin rotors howling.
Before I even drove the RX-8 I gave another glance at the new Mustang. I did the full dealer treatment, test drive, good look at the options, look at the GT, and thinking about the rag top. In the end, the feelings I had for the new Mustang were the same as years back. Nicer in many ways, but the same in all the basics areas.
It would have been easier to buy a Mustang but the RX-8 just grabs me deep in my soul.
#2955 of 3618 Re: I find the tire pressure sensor system .... [astral]
Oct 13, 2005 (6:18 am)
I realize I have at least one tire low when the light comes on. The problem I have with the system is not telling you which one is low. I understand the dynamics of air warming and expanding, tire wear.... I just don't like running around my car trying to find the "winning" tire 2 or 3 mornings per week!!
#2956 of 3618 I think comparing the Mustang and the RX8 is apples to oranges....
Oct 13, 2005 (6:24 am)
Mustangs sell well and they sell on raw horsepower and the legacy behind it. Most people that buy the Mustang are buying it because it is THE American sports car. Even though the Corvette fills that bill as well, the Vette appeals to the folks who are a little more refined. Not to step on any toes here, but the Mustang is the ultimate "Redneck" sports car in WV. Every coal minin', gun-totin', coon-huntin', baccer-spittin', red blooded backwoods boy has a Mustang GT in the driveway. And, by God, they don't drive no Jap car!! Mazda, Mitsubishi, Honda, Toyota... or any other of these makers will ever build a sports car to appeal to them!!
#2957 of 3618 Re: I find the tire pressure sensor system .... [lhess]
Oct 13, 2005 (6:37 am)
I liked the suggestion made in this site a while ago - on the way home inflate your tires to 35 PSI or so. Then next morning, let the air out until they are all at the correct pressure before you start driving. Do this once a month and you shouldn't ever see that light on.
It makes good sense for all of us with all our vehicles. Tires do loose air over time. Driving without enough air is bad for mileage, the tires, and safety.
#2958 of 3618 Local dealer here
Oct 13, 2005 (7:36 am)
still has 3...yep 3...leftover 2004 RX-8's. They're all black and have MSRP's of 31,500 to 32,xxx. The "cheap" one has been advertised in the paper on Sunday's for months at about $7000 of MSRP but no takers.
I'm sorely tempted, but I just can't see myself dumping my old 4WD truck to get one. Especially with winter approaching.
#2959 of 3618 Re: I find the tire pressure sensor system .... [lhess]
Oct 13, 2005 (10:28 am)
It should only take one morning. Tires don't lose pressure that fast. Just try checking all four tires the next morning, and inflate the one that's low.
So you wouldn't be running around 2 or 3 mornings per week... you'd just do it once and if you make sure that all your tires are 32psi cold (in the morning), then you should be set for months.