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Mazda RX-8, Coupe
Jul 31, 2005 (7:05 am)
Rumour mill again - however it confirms what I've been hearing for over a year now. The 2006 model automatics -may- get the new Miata six speed automatic. This makes sense, as it will be a transmission Mazda will have in production, it will increase the number used (helping them reduce per unit costs), and it will help the auto RX-8 "keep up" with the manual. They (rumour propogators) say it will have 212 HP as well. If you check out the Mazda North America site, the Miata will get "paddle shifters", which also makes me think this rumour is correct - the new transmission would fit right in with the RX-8 concept wise. They also say it will still be limited to 7500 RPM (again, the limit imposed by the torque converter). So, how they get more HP is anybodies guess for now. It seems the torque is up and that may be the clue - better tuned intake tract.
No news to report on the manual trans. cars. Keeping my fingers crossed!!!
The only official thing we've heard from Mazda so far on the 2006 units is the colour chart.
#2742 of 3618 Re: This just in! [pathstar1]
Jul 31, 2005 (10:30 am)
Is this the same 6-speed auto they introduced in the '05 Mazda6?
#2743 of 3618 Re: Considering buying an RX-8 [dwynne]
Aug 01, 2005 (10:26 am)
I guess it depends on your wants vs needs. I like the S also, but it can't fit two sets of golf clubs and an overnight bag for a weekend get-away in the country.
The S is good for a couple if you are going to end up where you start. Otherwise the RX8 has plenty of room and enough zoom-zoom-zoom to be a lot more versatile and usable.
QUESTION: If the 06's don't change much will the discount prices still apply (not including the old model year depreciation, of course)
#2744 of 3618 Re: Considering buying an RX-8 [jimstack41]
Aug 01, 2005 (11:15 am)
I have both, so my wants and needs are both taken car of
But if you had to choose one and don't play golf (what a way to waste a perfectly good walk in the woods?) the S is by far the better "Deal". My wife and I have enough room for a weekend in the mountains without too much trouble - but the drop top wins ALL the comparisons for me. Well, that and the better reliability, resale value, fuel economy, etc
I ASSUME that Mazda will increase the incentives as the year goes along - just like they did last year. At first tied to (maybe overpriced) MAC financing then later just "have at it". I do not think there will be as many left overs to pick from this time as last since most of the dealers ordered far fewer cars. Also harder to find a loaded up car or one with Nav, since those are the ones they mostly got stuck with last year - and chose not to re-order for 05. You get a car now for best selection or play "Dutch auction" with it later. The longer you wait the fewer cars to choose from but the less you are likely to pay.
The 06 AUTO cars should be nicer, so the left over auto 8s should be really hard to move (and are generally not very desirable anyway). Once the 06 changes have been firmed up then we will see how desirable they are and how quick the 05 prices fall. I know if you want titanium gray or nordic green you need to look at an 05 or 04, since those are not supposed to be available colors in 06.
#2745 of 3618 what are the colors....
Aug 02, 2005 (6:54 am)
for 06? i've heard they dropped the green...but what else and have they added anything.
Tough luck for all those folks who bought the 04 and 05 autos. As Dennis said, they were not popular anyway and now with the 06 offering so much more hp's, those resale numbers will likely hit rock bottom.
#2746 of 3618 Re: what are the colors.... [lhess]
Aug 02, 2005 (10:59 am)
I'm told titanium gray is also gone, but now we will get "galaxy gray mica". It looks very close to titanium - perhaps a little darker. Also adding "Phantom Blue Mica" - a light blue/green - perhaps just in the US, not Canada? The colour changes may be a result of the loss of the painting plant (fire), and may only be temporary, until the new plant is finished. Both new colours were used by other Mazda vehicles.
The horsepower is only up 16 - it would feel like a minor increase to the "seat of the pants" dyno. The important change is the extra two gears, allowing better use of the limited rev. range! The torque curve is also changed - perhaps flattened a bit but broadened out. Unless the numbers being thrown around in the rumors are due to the 6 port being used. I'd doubt this, but "we shall see". In October, at the latest.
#2747 of 3618 The HP boost is for AUTO TRANNY cars [pathstar1]
Aug 02, 2005 (11:59 am)
I should point out that the extra 16hp is only for the AUTO tranny 8s, no one has told us (yet) if there is any difference in the 6mt HP for 2006.
So the AUTO cars really take a hit on the resale value since the 06 will have 2 more gears and 16 more ponies.
#2748 of 3618 Re: Considering buying an RX-8 [dwynne]
Aug 02, 2005 (6:15 pm)
Thanks for the reply. I have test driven the RX-8 and s2000 twice each. I go back & forth as to which I like better. The RX (touring) would be 3-5 grand cheaper, is more functional (4dr, useful rear seats) seems to have a few more bells & whistles (Bose, DSC, lots of airbags), & I think looks hotter. Downside is oil burning, gas mileage, reliability. The s2k seems like simple, top-down, hi-revving fun that's more reliable. My only two new cars were an '88 civic that I kept 7yrs and sold to my brother, and my current '95 Integra that'll be my winter wheels, although the RX with some decent tires sounds like it handles the snow pretty well.I do like both cars a lot.I read that '04s selling earlier this year for thousands under invoive. Now the season for selling these acrs is starting to wind down over the next couple of months. One dealer had 5 RX's on the lot 2weeks ago,still have the 5 + 2 more. ANother dealer near me has about 32 Rx-8's. Most have the GT package. I find it difficult to believe they'll be able to sell most of these without some serious discountig and/or help from Mazda. Good deals should be had if I go in ths direction. On the s2k side, most delaers have 0-4 at any time, some others as many as 7-8. Less inventory, probably less room to deal Feel free to tell me more about your duel rx-8/s2k experience What else is better for you? ANy other reservations about either car? I'm rambling now. Just looking for any info/angles/opinions not already seen. Thanks to all.Will probably buy one of these this month unless I think waiting for poorer late year weather will be to my advantage.
#2749 of 3618 Re: Considering buying an RX-8 [mthmsim]
Aug 03, 2005 (8:58 am)
I paid $30k even for my 2005 S including destination and dealer fees - so much for they "will not deal on the S2000"
If you are willing to fly down and drive back there are dealers in KY and GA that will make you a similar deal (assuming they still have cars). I bet you could find a dealer in the MA area that would deal, though. What about Boch Honda in Norwood? Aren't they the (self proclaimed?) "largest Honda dealer" ? Their web page shows 7 S2000s in stock.
An RX-8 with touring would invoice right at $28k - so if you purchased it at invoice it would be just $2k less. Currently there IS a $1k MAC incentive so if you finance with MAC and purchased at invoice it would be $27k. To be fair (apples to apples) if you compare an 8 with leather seats the difference would be less - the invoice on a GT is just over $29k - or $28k with the rebate. At times the required MAC financing can be at a really high rate, but you can always take the rebate then refinance the car later
So right now, the difference between the two cars is not that much. Of course, I paid about $600 under invoice for my 8 - which would make the difference a little more
Sure, if you wait Mazda will almost be sure to put larger incentives on the 05 8s to move them out. The peak on the 04s was $3,250 (varied by region) before they just gave the dealers $4k off the top with no MAC financing strings attached.
Any fixed roof car is likely going to be safer in a crash than a drop top - extra air bags or not. The Bose stereo in the 8 is a LIABILITY rather than a bonus. The S has a standard DIN sized stereo and standard sized speakers. I spent about the same for the accessory MP3 player for the 8 (replaces the single disc CD with a MP3/CD player) as I did for the high end Pioneer stereo CD/MP3 player I put in the S. I then had to spend another $90 or so to add an aux in to the stereo in the 8 for my XM radio - on the Pioneer stereo in the S this was a $20 cable.
With the 8 you can't easily replace anything - the stereo, the speakers, etc. With the S you can.
I think the 8 looks "richer" (with a leather interior) than the S both inside and out. I have the optional NAV in the 8 and I love it (but it is expensive) - this is not available in the S.
Not counting the oil, if you drove 12k in a year paying $2.50 a gallon for premium (required in both cars) it would take 800 gallons in an 8 at 15mpg and cost $2000.00. In an S it would take 522 gallons at 23mpg and cost $1,305. So you would save back nearly $700 of the extra you paid for the S in the first year. That assumes those mileage figures (which is what I currently get commuting to work), $2.50 for premium, and 12k a year (which is a lot more than I drive).
The 8 only goes back to 2004, but you can check current "book" used values here, KBB, NADA, etc for a 2004 S VS a 2004 8 and get an idea about resale value (hint: if Mazda can't sell them new w/o incentives then you would have to discount a used one to sell it).
Anyway, I have my cake and eat it too - so I don't have to choose. They are similar in "spirit" - a light, great handling, tossible, high revving car. One has a better track record and drop top (which is the best part) the other is a little "shaky" but has a fixed roof and 4 seats. If you don't have a winter car to drive, then the 8 would make more sense (along with 4 snow tires). Heck, I picked up an old Subaru Legacy AWD for cheap for snow days so I don't drive EITHER car to work when it snows
Sounds like the 8 is the one talking to you. Be sure to test drive USED sample of both so you can redline them on an engine that has been broken in. Neither motor shows its true colors until the tach sweeps past 4-5k. Nothing WRONG with choosing the 8 - just go in with your eyes wide open to the oil and gas consumption issues.