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#21 of 3616 Why no turbo by ambull Jan 17, 2002 (6:59 am)
My understanding of why there will be no turbo is that the RX-7 turbos heated things up to such an extent that the apex seals needed replacing at about 100k miles. This replacement is an overhaul of the engine and thus quite expensive. With the larger side intake and exhaust valves, the renesis produces as much hp as its predecessor, but as you point out, not much torque. This engine has very little displacement and torque is a function of displacement. So it'll perform like the S2000, I expect; maybe a little better. Somebody who knows RX-7s better than I can correct me if I'm wrong.
#22 of 3616 by revdrluv Jan 17, 2002 (9:23 am)
Better reliability, much better gas mileage what else? The trick this car is pulling is competing with 3 series more than with sport coupes. It will be more grown up than a sport coupe, still have all the performance (and more with rwd) but have more room inside than a 3 series sedan. What more do you need! This is not (as mazda has said also) the next rx-7. It is not meant to be the same car. But with 250hp from a what 1.6-1.8 liter naturally aspirated engine, that is pretty remarkable if you ask me.   Not too many Americans these days are willing to buy a car that is completely impractical like most sports cars are (except those who have more than one car, but you can't count on them too much for sales or you will probably fall short). Mazda is betting that (excuse my cliche) those of us who want to have our cake and eat it too will go for a car like this. I sure would.
#23 of 3616 by cyranno99 Jan 17, 2002 (11:00 am)
Yup, the current RX-7 could not meet the US emission standard and it was getting too pricey. The Renesis has about as much horsepower as the older RX-7 with twin turbo. I wouldn't be surprise if the RX-8 will be as fast as the old RX-7. However, the next generation RX-7 might make the Corvette Z06 sweat.   Right, I think that the RX-7 would be impractical for me in the future and the RX-8 would make it competitive with the sports sedans, even better perhaps.
#24 of 3616 RX-8 performance by ambull Jan 17, 2002 (11:56 am)
I just did some research on the 1993 RX-7. It had 255 hp and 217 ft lbs of torque and could do 0-60 in 4.9 sec. There is no way the RX-8 will be able to do that with 50 ft lbs less torque. The best we could hope for is 6 seconds, but the handling should be great and the utility pretty good. I read an article in the paper before Christmas which said the RX-8 had a lot more room in it for 6-footers than the 350Z does, both in the front and back. This is as important to me as the sheer performance. Also, the RX-7 base price was $31,300, which is more than the RX-8's ten years later - pretty good.
#25 of 3616 Rotary Rocket by cyranno99 Jan 17, 2002 (12:33 pm)
Well, your 0-60 number is lower than the average. I've seen around 5.2 seconds. Anyway, a sub 6 second range would be right for the RX-8. I am sure that I won't be disappointed by the handling and the room. One thing that I do want is HID. It would make a sportscar look sharp at night.   Just from memory... I think that only the third generation RX-7 used turbo. Turbo was the only problem when my brother had his car.
#26 of 3616 re:Rotary rocket by ambull Jan 17, 2002 (12:55 pm)
My 0-60 time came from early newspaper reviews which were all the same time which probably means they were using a number given out by Mazda rather than testing it themselves. Real-world times may have been a little longer. I'm pretty sure the second generation had a turbo as an option, but it wasn't the same as the sequential turbos introduced for 1993.
#27 of 3616 by cyranno99 Jan 17, 2002 (1:29 pm)
Yup, it seems that the pre-production numbers are usually more optimistic. Still, the 3rd generation was leaps and bounds better than the previous generations in every aspect. I'll let others go crazy over the Z while I wait for the RX-8 or the RX-7 (less likely to buy the RX-7 though).
#28 of 3616 Yes by novcenthusiast Jan 17, 2002 (1:42 pm)
There was a second gen turbo.   ambull, where do you get your price projection? I swear I've been seeing numbers in the low thirties.
#29 of 3616 Price by ambull Jan 17, 2002 (2:50 pm)
Okay, the rumors are flying on this one. Mazda said it will be less than $37,000, but others have said around $30,000 to as low as $25,000. I'm hoping for under $30,000 but I obviously don't know. Did anyone catch exactly when this thing will be released? I've heard after the 6 intro, so that would make it next year sometime?
#30 of 3616 by cyranno99 Jan 17, 2002 (3:02 pm)
I read in automobile mag that the price is supposed to be under 29k as well. I forgot if they mentioned it in the streaming video on their web site though. It should be released near the end of next year???

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