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You are in the Mazda RX-8
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Mazda RX-8, Coupe
Jan 08, 2004 (1:27 pm)
I think shifty was just explaining that cars which will thrill need more attention in some manner (whether in maintenance or in driving) than your basic car. That's what makes the sports cars more fun and exciting.
As collectibles go, the '97 Twin Turbo Supra would be an example of one since it was a limited edition, not many were made with the TT during that year and were well-maintained (with low mileage). Car enthusiasts had a craving for those cars after those kind of vehicles were no longer made (300ZX, 3rd gen. of RX-7 and the Supra TT, and thus, the demand grew. The Ford Thunderbird may become a collectible since they are stopping production after the 2004. Not necessarily a great vehicle, but the limited production combined with only four production years raises it's collectible value. That car's price point was $35K-$40. So if the RX-8 does not do well and Mazda cuts the production after two years, that actually benefits it as a collectible. Has nothing to do with its price point being around $30K. The price point has nothing to do with it if the car is in demand due to a shortage of production. The SVT Focus will probably be a collectible some day since Ford is pulling the SVT line and that car is only around $19K. The Lincoln Blackwood and Chrysler Prowler are other examples of cars that failed profit wise but can benefit an owner that wants a collectible.
Jan 08, 2004 (1:31 pm)
That's exactly what we're talking about. Cars like the Tercel, Civic, Accord, Camry, LeSabre, Taurus, etc are built and marketed to those that say..."I'll change my oil the least amount of time allowable....I may not even read the owners manual. These, and others like them, are marketed to the "my car is an appliance" crowd.
That's why they have no pretensions of being high performance.
Jan 08, 2004 (3:06 pm)
just so yall know i don't dis the RX8 at all, i voted for it on Road and Track COY poll.
other candidates were new 5, GT3, STi. there was one more car, but now i can't remember what it was. i thought the RX had greater significance since it's not a rehash of the same old formula for performance.
Jan 08, 2004 (4:21 pm)
I would agree that if you are really shopping for a "TA" car (transportation appliance), the less hassle the better.
But you can find fun cars under $30K that need a special touch---the two are not mutually exclusive.
Having a somewhat "demanding" car is a lot like a marriage. You give up stuff but you get this whole other thing back (hopefully, theoretically, so to speak).
From the short drives I've taken, the RX8 seems easily worth whatever little extra care you need to give it, IMO. Your results may vary of course.
I liked the RX7 3rd gen, I liked the Miata, and I like that they are the only Japanese company in history to win LeMans....in a rotary engine car, I might add.
Jan 08, 2004 (4:43 pm)
hey all, any of you fine folks know of a good book on the history of Mazda and the RX? Not a coffee table book, but something with some in-depth knowledge about it?....I need some more reading material!
#1673 of 3618 go to Amazon and read the reviews on these:
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 08, 2004 (6:12 pm)
Mazda Rx-7 (Sports Car Color History)
by John Matras
Mazda Mx-5 Miata: Renaissance Sportscar
by Brian Long
Jan 08, 2004 (7:00 pm)
I bought myself an RX-8 a couple days after Christmas, and here's what I have to say about it.
I drove my family crazy as I agonized over which car to buy since this summer. I tried the S2000, G35, 350Z, Evo, 330ci, and a few others not worth mentioning. I really liked the RX-8 but was put off by the buy-back and issues raised on this and the RX-8club forum. At one point I was ready to order a Pontiac GTO but couldn't engage the salesman. I was ready to buy the 330ci but I couldn't justify the $40K for rather plain styling. The G35 was great for acceleration but I didn't like the interior. I wanted a car for my 60 mile roundtrip commute, and the S2000 and 350Z were too rough and noisy. I am absolutely thrilled with RX-8.
I live in the Boston area, and this car really makes you appreciate winding New England roads. Try driving it on Rte 153 on the southern line between New Hampshire and Maine. Fantastic!
I filled up 4 times-- I've averaged 20 MPG on highway and suburban driving. Not as good as the 27 MPG that I averaged on my Maxima, but in line with expectations. I would hope to get up to the 24 level, but it's really hard not to punch the accelerator.
It may not have a lot of torque, but it pulls great! I've brought it up to 7,000 RPM, am waiting a while to redline it. The 4K to 7K band is great.
This is still a very uncommon car, and I get a lot of looks. I didn't think that this would matter to me before buying it, but I have to admit that I get a real kick out of it. The best was the crossing guard who completely forgot what he was doing and just stared open mouth at the car (I didn't run over the pedestrians).
I tested it on the snow in the driveway, and I can confirm that you don't want to drive this car in snow with the performance tires. Got the Blizzaks with wheels delivered today from TireRack after reading this and the rx8club forums. Will put them on this weekend.
Haven't had any issues, but am glad that I was forewarned. This is a quirky issue that could get you into trouble. For example, this morning in 12 degree weather, I leave from home and stop at the gas station that's one mile from my house. I had a good excuse to leave the car running to warm it up as I filled up.
This is a great car, and by far the most fun to drive car that I've owned!
#1675 of 3618 I know exactly what shifty was saying.
Jan 08, 2004 (8:22 pm)
But I purposedly put $30K in my post since that is this price point. There are several cars out there that are near maintenance free and are fun to drive. And I'm not talking about Civics. My 91 MR2 Turbo comes to mind. Oil interval every 5000 miles, plugs every 60K. Didn't burn a drop of oil between intervals and would run like a scalded cat. Heck the NA version had the Camry engine.
Same with the G35/350Z having the Maxima engine. Appliance??? I think not. But maintenance free all the same. You don't have to go soo extreme as the Civic. There are several examples of modern cars that you just gas and go. AND have fun with the GO part.
Most people don't go into the Mazda dealership and expect higher maintenance. Not even for an RX8. We've already had a couple shocked potential buyers.
Jan 09, 2004 (6:14 am)
I guess I just don't get it.
I know of 4 local RX8 owners via the local RX club. None of us have had any unusual maintenance issues with our cars. None of us do anything "out of the ordinary" regarding caring for our vehicles. Do we treat them a "tad" different? Probably, but I treat my Civic different than I do the RX8 and as I did my previous BMWs. Is it better or worse with any of those cars? NO, just different. Certianly, none of the owners I've talked to are shocked by anything other than the overall "goodness" of the RX8...regardless of its low pricepoint in comparison.
I didn't expect higher maintenance and haven't experienced any on the RX8.
So, I'm left with confusion as to anyone who thinks so.
For example, as jacklarue points out, I know I don't want to drive my RX8 in the snow with the "sport tires" on it. I'll need something like the Blizzaks to do that. That would be true with any car with sport tires and RWD (like the G35C or the 350Z or the S2000). Us owners know this. So, we prepare for it. Does that mean extra maintenance? I guess so, but nothing different than what I expected.
Gee35, I can certainly appreciate the fact that the RX8 may not be to your liking but in all honesty, I think you're singing the wrong songs in the wrong choir in here. It doesn't sound like you'll ever be an RX8 owner no matter what we say here. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise since your "automotive priorities" are different than what the RX8 offers. That's OK! Those of us who own the car understand what we have and why we chose it, however.
cheeze...if you can find "The RX8 Book" that was sent to all of the "pre-order" people, it gives a very comprehensive look at Rotary development and the models it was used in. Of course, they spend about 1/2 the book talking about the development of the RX8 and the politics of getting the car done, both internally and externally (read Ford). Unfortunately, it is a "coffee table" book and the only other place I've seen it is on ebay. Well worth it if you can get your hands on one, though.
BTW, jacklarue, congrats on your purchase and welcome. My MPG has gone down a bit during the winter months, but I view that more a function of the reformulated winter fuel around here than anything else. My MPG is about where yours is, but it was higher this past summer and fall. I have no intention of driving it conservatively to get better MPG either. I know what you mean when you say you can't keep your foot "out of the power band"....it's just way too much fun to wind it out. Besides, I didn't buy the car to "putter around" with.
#1677 of 3618 RX-8 in the snow
Jan 09, 2004 (6:23 am)
happy to report that I was able to navigate the snowy/slushy roads this morning in Raleigh. Granted, I am from New England (Go Pats!) and there is only about an inch of slushy stuff on the ground, but the ride in was not that bad. I tried not to ever come to a complete stop, never got above 30 mph and started in 2nd and even 3rd gear a few times to avoid spinning the tires. I have the stock Potenzas on the car.
I'll see how it goes on the way home this afternoon. The roads could be little worse later on today. Since they don't know how to handle the snow down here the cleanup efforts often make it worse. I have actually seen them trying to plow the streets with graders!
As to the maintenance issues discussed above ...
G35, the RX-8 DOES NOT require any special maintenance that isn't recommended by the owner's manual for any other car out there. It does not require more frequent oil changes or anything else unusual. The RX-8 manual suggests 7500 mile intervals like every other car out there these days. I will probably opt to use a 5,000 mile interval and my dealer agreed that would be sufficient.