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#1574 of 3618 Ok.. I think that I have decided...
Dec 30, 2003 (3:47 am)
Thanks to everyone that responded to my posting!
Yesterday, I took the advice of those who responded and drove an RX-8 today in both 6-speed and Automatic forms.
For the most part, I was fairly impressed with the 6-speed, but the automatic was somewhat questionable? How can I best explain it? Driving the auto RX8 reminded me of driving my aunts 2003 Volkswagon Passat 1.8T? OK.. what I mean by this is that the 1.8T from a stand still is a slow beast... then about 2 or 3 seconds later, the power comes on full speed ahead! It's one of those, "don't jump out in front of rush hour traffic vehicles." That's how I can best describe my experience with the RX8 automatic. It wasn't bad to drive, but I definitely can see getting my butt kicks at a stop light against someone driving something with raw V-6 power? Also, the ride was awesome! Very easy to get in/out and the fit and finish was excellent.
Secondly, we were out on the freeway and it seems as if the tranny's thinking was a little too slow for my taste? It needed to react a second quicker for merging, etc. It just didn't seem too intuitive if you know what I mean? However, I did love the paddle shifters!
Third, I really wish that the RX8 had an auto climate control (set and forget) as opposed to the manual system? That kinda bugged me for a vehicle in this price range. Additionally, I wished that it had a full function trip computer to tell you DTE, MPG, etc.. I really find that stuff useful.
FOURTH and probably the most important... I had convinced myself that I could live without all of the creature comforts but when my salesman offered the following information without my input, I became instantly cold. He mentioned that since this is a rotary engine, it will basically burn more oil (purposely) than other vehicles and that after every third fillup, I will need to check/add oil as necessary??? Also, he mentioned that it does not and cannot use synthetic oil! THEN, he goes on the mention the flooding issue and stated that the vehicle needs to warm up to operating temp each time or else I will encounter flooding issues. A simple switch-a-roo of vehicles in my driveway can cause the RX8 to flood unless I leave it running long enough to reach normal operating temp? Last but not least, I experienced a slight CHILL down my spine when he said that it's best to rev the rpm's up to 3K and then shut the engine off to prevent flooding???
Now.. Personally, I will buy a new car because it should be maintenance free, not high-maintenance? Maybe this guy has incorrect information (please feel free to correct if necessary) but he seemed to be very very knowledgeable of this vehicle and covered every minute detail before we went out on a test drive.
My sales rep instantly knew that my interest level in the vehicle had went wayyy down and asked me to sleep on it. Of course, just for a contrast of vehicles, the Nissan dealer was next door to the Mazda store. Since all of the dealerships are part of the motor mall, my sales rep took me over to the Nissan dealer and introduced me to another salesman who allowed me to test drive the 350Z coupe. My opinion? One word...
WOW!! Although I still find the RX8 interesting, the Nissan 350Z was down-right exciting! As I went out on my test drive with the sales rep, I simply laughed joyfully at how much POWER this thing had? Seriously, I am not trying to start a debate here, but after 2 minutes in the 350Z, I was instantly sold. I swear that the 350Z seemed to have a direct tie to my brain! The auto tranny performed seemlessly and seemed to always find the correct gear given my input. Also, this model came equipped with the trip computer displaying actual tire PSI numbers (all 4), DTE, Average MPG and Speed, etc. The ride seemed very comparable to the RX8 and the cockpit had a very nice feel. Oh.. let's not forget the throaty exhaust.. felt like there was a V-8 under the hood. This car was majorly fast guys/gals.. kinda scary!
Ok.. I've said enough now, but I just wanted to thank you all for responding to my original post. While I do like the Rx8, It would be nice for Mazda to consider making another powerplant available in addition to the rotary engine. Heck.. If the RX8had the Nissan's engine, tranny and gizmos (including auto climate control), I would have driven one home tonite? Anyone from Mazda listening? Any rumored changes for 2005?
With that being said, I think that now I am down to two choices. 350Z or G35 coupe (sister vehicles)
Dec 30, 2003 (4:59 am)
On the down side, according to the trade rags, the tires wear improperly and quickly on the outside edge and have to be reversed to even the irregular wear, they can only be rotated side to side so the tires have to be reversed on the rim to even the wear. Others didn't like the cosmetics of the cabin but I can't comment on that--plastic is plastic, etc. I found the seat bolsters on the G35 seat to be the hardest I ever sat on. Couldn't have gone 50 miles on those.
#1576 of 3618 If the RX-8 had the 350Z engine.
Dec 30, 2003 (6:22 am)
It'd be a different vehicle. The heavier engine would shift the weight distribution to the nose.
#1577 of 3618 Considering buying
Dec 30, 2003 (7:08 am)
This is the first time Iíve found a forum about car buying and other interesting stuff. I find it very useful in my endeavor to shop for a sports car. Iíve been longing for the RX-8 since I first saw the initial commercial. As I am getting more and more intrigued and seriously about buying it, Iíve heard and read so many problems the car may possess.
I would like to obtain some feedback regarding the problems Iíve heard and maybe getting a more that I have not.
1) My salesman reinforced me that the flooding problem has and will continue to exist. He said that because of the rotary engine, you would always need to start it a certain way and let it warm up for more than 7 seconds to prevent flooding.
2) He believes that Mazda will likely issue a recall regarding the oil pan.
3) High oil consumption
4) Not good on snow
Since I live in the Midwest, snow is somewhat prevalent, Iím not certain if RX-8 should be my primary choice, but since I love the look of it and the extra doors for my young ones, I wonder if the above problems can be overlooked.
Although I have not yet test driven an Acura TL, I have heard great things about the car. So before I set my heart on the RX-8, I will have to give TL a try.
I would appreciate any comments you may have to persuade or dissuade my decision to buy a RX-8.
Thanks. Have a happy New Year.
#1578 of 3618 anyone have condensation inside taillights?
Dec 30, 2003 (8:16 am)
#1579 of 3618 if the RX-8 uses anything BUT a rotary engine
Dec 30, 2003 (8:19 am)
this car would have never existed....
#1580 of 3618 Condensation inside taillight.
Dec 30, 2003 (8:42 am)
I had this issue on an '89 323LX. The gasket between the light assembly and the car body wasn't seated properly, allowing water to get into the housing through the openings for the bulb harenesses. Unfortunately, by the time I discovered the root cause, the gasket was already damaged beyond repair. I cut a replacement out of some neoprene rubber stock, using the original as a guide. The water leak went away, as did the condensation.
Yours may be new enough that you can still salvage the original gasket. However, it should still be covered under warranty, so have your dealer put a new one in correctly.
Another possibility, though less likely, is that the taillight components weren't properly sealed to each other during assembly, allowing water to get in from the outside between the hard plastic parts.
I'm assuming the taillight isn't cracked, of course.
#1581 of 3618 roadster?
Dec 30, 2003 (8:59 am)
Apologies if you all have already covered this, but does anyone know if there are plans for a convertible any time soon? I'm also considering the 350Z roadster and the S2000, and would love to see an RX-8 ragtop--that would definitely seal the deal.
Dec 30, 2003 (9:21 am)
iexplore....good luck in your continued car search. It sounds like the RX8's feature set isn't what you're looking for (trip computer?). Since you're looking for an automatic equipped car, you may also want to look at automatic Mustang GTs for comparison's sake as they will give you the "off the line grunt" you're looking for while spending a lot less money. As cheezeboy has stated, he owns an automatic RX8 and loves it. It also sounds like your Mazda salesperson wasn't too "in-tune" with what the RX8 is.
It also sounds like your Nissan salesperson didn't mention the suspension and tire issues with the 350Z, stereo issues, fit/finish issues, and some of the paint issues. You really should pay a visit to some of the 350Z/G35C sites on the WEB to get owners impressions of some of the issues with those cars.
No need to change anytthing with the RX8's engine. It's already won the International Engine of the Year and is one of the top 10 engines being produced according to Wards.
flooding...first and foremost, the vast majority of people who own the RX8 haven't experienced any flooding issues. If anyone is concerned about it, then the easy answer is to "blip" the throttle a little when you shut it down to clear out any unburnt fuel....no issue! Don't know why that sent a "chill down your spine", but so be it.
Everyone should check their oil regularly, regardless of the car they drive. I don't know why this is an issue. My RX8 hasn't used any oil over the first 6K miles. I still check it regularly, though (as I do with all my cars). Personally, even if I had to put a 1/2 quart of oil in the car between oil changes, it wouldn't matter to me.
latex, there is a lot of "misinformation/disinformation" about the RX8 going around since it has been so widely praised. Remember that as you take your test drives. Like the 350Z/G35C and the RX8, they all come equipped with "summer" performance tires. Given car with performance/summer tires and you're going to have some problems in the snow. I live in the Midwest, too. I haven't had any problems so far in the "dusting of snow" or heavy rain I've had around here. I won't take it out in deep snow, though. That said, all reports from those who have used the RX8 with snow tires have said it does just fine.
Personally, I liked the previous gen TLs. I haven't made up my mind about the new ones....I'm lukewarm about the styling. As others have said, the new TL may have "hit a barrier" in the re-design by keeping it FWD, however. That said, I haven't driven one so I don't know this to be fact.
Oil pan issue was from some early builds (mine). Nothing wrong with it except it tripped the "low oil level" light. Those that are "on sale" now should have the "fix" already in place from the factory. Essentially, baffles were put in the oil pan and the "low oil level" sensors were redone. I had this done on mine under a TSB...no problems.
The RX8 warms up very quickly (less than 1 mile of driving). I don't know anything about the "7 second" rule. I've moved my RX8 in and out of the garage/driveway...starting it for a few seconds and shutting it down and restarting again for a few seconds. I've done this in all weather in temps ranging from 95+ degrees to the teens. No problems.
Like any other car, if you flood it, you just depress the gas pedal to the floor and crank it for a few seconds. This shuts down the fuel being injected and clears the chambers. then you can start it normally. Again, this isn't an issue with the vast majority of the 12,000 RX8 owners currently out there.
As most of the trade rags have said, they pick the RX8 over the 350Z/G35C....all for various reasons....style, back seat, room, handling, fit/finish, performance, comfort, features, price.......etc.
blh....I've seen the Nordic Green. Very sharp. It's kind of a chameleon...in some light it looks almost "black". In other light, it is a deep, sparkly green. To me, there are no "bad" colors for the RX8. I have the "winning blue" and love mine, but could have been happy with any of the colors. Look real close at the paint on the Nordic Green and the Mica Red....you'll notice that they contain "flecks" of gold in them.
dools...Mazda already makes a roadster. It's called a Miata. I doubt seriously, if they make a convertible RX8, though. Keep watching, however. Mazda is getting ready to "re-do" the Miata in the very near future.
#1583 of 3618 Thanks mazdafun
Dec 30, 2003 (11:22 am)
I TEST drove two different Rx-8's , one auto and other 6-speed. As I was talking to sales I noticed that both had condensation. Found that interesting on new cars. Went back by next day and looked at several and no condensation. Figure it has something to do with happening when I drove them. It was night time, so I had lights on.