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Mazda RX-8, Coupe
#1559 of 3618 Graphicguy - RX8 "only ticket"
Dec 26, 2003 (8:32 am)
Not quite. I happen to own one of the 30+ highway mpg 9,000 rpm S2000 that is both quicker than and more fuel efficient than the RX-8.
I have also briefly looked into the M3 convertible and, according to the 3-4 M3 owners I've talked to, BMW's seem to get consistently higher mileage on the highway than their EPA ratings (25-27 for the 6-speed M3 vs. a rating of 23/24). Not that fuel efficiency is much of an issue with a sports car, but if Mazda's EPA rating drops 1-2 mpg (as real world performance suggests), they will be subject to a gas guzzler tax which I suspect will significantly hurt sales. They are already selling at or near invoice in the DC area and a $1,000 gas guzzler charge won't help things. And lest you think an EPA rating change isn't possible or likely, the EPA rating on the 2004 S2000 was lowered by 1-2 mpg. Any spec change in the RX8 engine will automatically trigger an EPA review and the repeated reports of below average MPG has also triggered revised EPA ratings in the past. The RX-8 is living on the edge, which, any way you look at it, is not good for a high tech, low torque, "amazing" 1.3 liter engine. Even Porsche has kept the Boxster S and base 911 out of gas guzzler tax trouble.
#1560 of 3618 Engine life and other assorted comments
Dec 26, 2003 (9:41 am)
Based on previous models, I would expect 200,000 mi or more on the engine. Granted, I'm comparing it to the last NA rotary (1991), which had the exhaust port on the rotor housing, but I doubt there is going to be a problem with the side ports. Usually the apex seals wear thin and crack, and that is what determines end of life for a NA rotary (turbo engines usually fail from overheating or turbo boost control system failure causing over-boost and catastrophic failure of the apex seals due to detonation). I would expect the apex seals to last longer with no exhaust port to "ride over".
I'm told by usually reliable sources that the fuel mixture was richened to meet the 120,000 mi mandated life for the cat. This will impact mileage.
I think calling the engine a 1.3L is a bit exagerated, though I know many think that way. In Europe it is considered to be a 2.6L. I think a case could be made that it is 1/2 way between these extremes. It's just too different compared to a piston engine to use the same methods to calculate displacement.
Dec 26, 2003 (9:58 am)
My appologies...the S2000 would be the other "hi revver". Of course, there's no back seat and little room in the S2000. That, in my opinion doesn't detract from what the car is, however.
It's one of the best convertibles on the market.
The RX8 plays in a little bit of a different sandbox than the S2000.
I do everything from getting groceries, to throwing my "golf sticks" in the trunk to stuffing the Christmas gifts to be returned in my RX8 (which is what I'm headed off to do)...and do all of that while remaining comfy with a top notch stereo and one of the best combos of quickness/handling cars on the market. What amazes me even more...that such a quick and great handling car can be so comfortable at the same time.
Gas guzzler tax? I get 19 MPG in mixed driving in my RX8 and regularly get low 20s MPG when on the interstate. I don't hardly consider that qualifying as subject to that tax. There are many more people getting similar MPG to what the MSRP says the RX8 should get than those that aren't. There are even some who are getting 30 MPG with their RX8 (at least one of them is actually in my local RX club).
We have 4 locals in the RX club in my burg that own an RX8. We are all getting close to what the MSRP sticker says we should get.
Given the capabilities of my RX8, that's totally acceptable to me.
To be fair, there are some who are getting 14-19 MPG with their RX8s. To put it into perspective, that's the same as Edmunds is getting with their long term 350Z test.
As mentioned before, I've owned 2 BMWs. I'm a BMW fan. Fact is, I enjoy the RX8 more. MPG in both wasn't dissimilar to what I'm getting with the RX8.
#1562 of 3618 couple of responses
Dec 26, 2003 (10:45 am)
Sphinx - as far as that category goes, the new Z doesn't belong. Its far from practical. No back seat and, thanx to the tower brace, a very restrictive cargo space.
gee35 - "I'm just answering the previous question why the RX did not win COTY and the Prius did."
this recent discussion is based on North American Car of the Year. The Prius has not won, yet. The winner won't be announced till next month.
#1563 of 3618 No....The Prius....
Dec 27, 2003 (7:15 am)
Motor Trend COTY get a lot of press.
A few quotes relavant to the discussion.
"EPA fuel-economy rating: 60 mpg in the city, 51 mpg on the highway"
" the Prius qualifies for the California Air Resources Board's stringent Super-Ultra-Low-Emissions Vehicle "
From a car that seats 5 comfortably and still runs 0-60 in under 10 sec. Come on...Where's the debate?
By the way 04 RX8's $500 over invoice at Stone Mountain Mazda in Atlanta.
Dec 27, 2003 (11:46 am)
i know about motor trend. but i originally mentioned North American Car of the Year and that's when this discussion started up. Yeah, the Prius won motortrend, but not NACOTY. Just wanted to make sure you are on the same page as us.
Dec 27, 2003 (12:37 pm)
Don't forget, Motor Trend was also the publication that picked past COTY luminaries such as the Renault Alliance, Chrysler "K" cars, Chevy Vega...among other automotive standouts.
There are good car deals everywhere right now. If you're in the market for any car....a BMW, an Infiniti, a Mazda, a Honda, a Toyota....any of them...now's the time to make a deal until the 2nd week of January.
I'm not saying the Prius won't be a good car....only that it's a hybrid that gets admittedly great MPG...as does the Honda Hybrid. So does a VW with the TDI powerplant. If MPG is your only criteria, then a Prius should be at the top of your list.
You can buy a Camry around my neck of the woods, fairly loaded, for about $17K. The Prius is selling for $20K since it's new to the market. The Camry would have better performance, be more comfortable, and still get 30 MPG. At a $1.50/gal for gas, over 100,000 miles...you'd pay about an extra $2,000 in gas for the Camry vs the Prius. You're still coming up about $1,000 short by buying the Prius over the Camry based on the fuel economy differences over that 100,000 miles.
I read an article that a cow's flatulence causes more air polution than any car made over the past 3 years. Car emissions are no longer the issue they were even 5-10 years ago.
Again, not meaning to slight the Prius. It's a fine car. But if you do a little bit of a comparison, MPG and emissions aren't the "bugaboo" they were several years ago.
Dec 27, 2003 (4:35 pm)
$17K is below invoice for a stripped base Camry, says Edmunds anyway.
I think the appeal of Prius is for its futuristic promise. The appeal of the RX8 is for what you get right here right now. Sometimes the future is sexier, so I can see that influencing the voting.
#1567 of 3618 The RX8 is nice I guess.
Dec 27, 2003 (5:28 pm)
But they put back seats in the 2nd generation and those models were/are the least desirable. They put back seats in the NA 300ZX and those are the least desirable now. They didn't bother to put back seats in the last generation RX or the Twin Turbo Z because the market doesn't want em. Heck, not even the 320hp Supra turbo could convince people that back seats were the way to go. A four door RX8 is a sedan with a door turned the wrong way. There are very affordable FWD sedans out there that could show the RX taillights on most of the real roads out there since corners aren't usually sharp enough for handling capability make a significant difference. I mean honestly...6.7 sec to 60 is not much faster than a couple of the cars in the sedan shoot out. And the Accord in particular had 240 hp and 30 mpg on the highway. An auto RX8 better bow down.
Why would we discredit the MTCOTY with cars from over a decade ago. I mean the Focus was NACOTY and I'll bet it'll go down in history as one of the most recalled cars in years.
There ARE deals to be had. But not on cars that were supposed to be a revolutionary as this one. The RX hasn't been on the market long enough to be heavily discounted. Resale for the first owners is gonna suck. I've been seeing low prices for the RX for a couple months now. I said this when it was intruduced. There is not as much of a market for this car in this country as Mazda thinks.
The Honda Hybrid is a great car too. But not as powerful or large as the Prius. The Beetle also doesn't get as good mileage as the Prius AND is a diesel so emmission will suck in this country since we have sorry diesel.
Check the option list and I'm sure the Camry you can get for $17 will be a little short on equipment. Not to mention a little higher on emmissions. Even at 30 mpg the Camry would still be HALF of the 60 mpg city on the Prius. Again there's no debate.
If car emmission wasn't the issue, there would still be an RX7 Turbo or even an RX8 Turbo. But there aren't because of.....emmissions and fuel economy. It's an issue somewhere.
Can't comment much about the cows though.
#1568 of 3618 Considering RX8.. Have A Few Questions??
Dec 29, 2003 (12:52 am)
I've been thumbing through the post on this forum and for the most part, I have been entertaining the idea of purchasing an RX8 and had a few questions for you current Rx8 owners.
First, I don't want to start a "holy war" in terms of which vehicle(s) are better, but just for the record, here are the vehicles that I am considering. Also, I am looking to purchase my next vehicle in addition to keeping my 2003 GMC Envoy XL V-8.. it's just too big for everyday driving!
#1. Honda Accord V-6 Coupe with Navigation -- Practicality, lots of bang for the buck and "sort of" fills my desire for a practical 2 door sports car. Will have to retrofit HID's though?
#2. Nissan 350Z Roadster -- Very nice vehicle, but fully loaded will run me over $40K and I understand that most are paying full sticker? Ick..
#3. Cadillac CTS Luxury Sport Model -- I know.. what the heck? Well.. I can get GM discount on this vehicle and it does have a lot of bang for the buck, distinctive styling and a new V-6 engine that has plenty of "power."
#4. Infiniti G35 Coupe -- Very nice vehicle, excellent handling, elegant look but can also get kinda pricy?
My questions for you current RX8 owners:
A. IF I am to purchase an RX8, I will get the automatic version fully loaded. Since the auto decreases the horsepower, I am a little worried that I would be dissapointed in the long run with the overall power of the vehicle? Anyone care to comment on the Auto's 0-60 mph times and/or experiences with the automatic? Personally, my V-8 Envoy is a beast, but it will surely keep your spine securely fastened to the seat during acceleration. I kinda consider it to be my extra large sports car! If the RX8 will feel slower than my Envoy, I really do think that I would be dissapointed.
B. In terms of gadgetry.. I will more than likely purchase the Navigation system. One of my biggest concerns is that I don't think that the RX8 comes with a trip computer that tells you MPG, Instantaneous, Distance to Empty, etc? Can someone please tell me if the Navi system contains a trip computer?
C. I've read different comments posted here about the reliability of the engine (i.e. stalling, etc). What are the top issues related to the engine that I should be aware of?
D. Last but not least, for those current RX8 owners, would you consider buying again if you had a chance to do it all over again?
Thanks in advance for your help..