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Toyota ECHO, Coupe, Sedan
Mar 04, 2011 (11:04 am)
I have a 2000 Toyota Echo with 230,000 miles on it! I LOVE this car. I added some gas (E-10) to it the other night. It drove fine on the way home (10 miles). I only put in about 4 gallons, because I was headed to "the city" where gas was WAY cheaper.
The next morning, it started running REALLY rough! Once I got it up to above 50 mph, it was okay. Well, I didn't make it to "the city"--ahout 100 miles away. I ran out of gas about 20 miles short of the destination. There should have been PLENTY of gas to get there in. When I finally got there, I filled up with gas. It didn't help. I even added the stuff that takes the water out of the gas (the name escapes me right now). No help. I took it to a local mechanic and several codes came up, I don't remember what they were. He mentioned doing a basic tune-up on it, which I was okay with. But he wasn't sure that would do it. He said to do a full tune up it would cost $400+ because this car didn't have spark plug wires by themselves, that you had to buy the entire spark plug boot. THIS I had a problem with. I drove the car home, and it hasn't left my driveway since. I don't know if it WAS the gas, or if it was coincidental. Any thoughts?? I am going to the Auto Zone and have them tell me the codes so I can write them down and do further research. ANY help would be appreciated!
Mar 04, 2011 (11:13 am)
Get away from that mechanic! His proposals will not help you. He is only trying to profit!
Yes have the codes read and tell us what they are. Its possible you got a tank of gas with a lot of water in it I think.
But the codes will tell...
#784 of 914 Drive Belt Noise At Low RPM
Mar 16, 2011 (2:34 pm)
My 2000 automatic echo with just over 96k makes a chirping sound at low rpms. It happens whether warm or cold, mostly when dry but also sometimes when wet, and has progressively gotten worse over the last 2 weeks. The noise is much less obvious when driving and seems to disappear above 35mph, and is worst when you shift from P into drive and the engine idles down under the trans load.
I thought the noise was coming from the drive belt that runs the ac, water pump, and alternator. But I just replaced that belt (which was glazed and showing some wear) with a new one (a Dayco poly cog?) and really cranked on the alternator to get the belt tight - I was thinking the old one had been slipping. Now, I am sure the belt is tight, but the chirping noise is still coming from my engine bay in the belt region.
I know it could still be slipping or the bearings on one of the components could be going bad, or it could be the power steering belt or pump bearing. But my question is: has anyone else had this same issue? I feel like echos with a lot more miles than mine haven't ever had these belts changed or pulleys wear out... But maybe it's my imagination and someone else has experience in this area? Any chance this is normal?
Thanks for your 2 cents.
Mar 17, 2011 (5:34 am)
Its possible the noise is coming from the alternator or the water pump. Remove the belt and BRIEFLY run the engine. Like 5 or ten minutes from totally cold. If the chirp is gone spin the wp and alt by hand feeling for roughness etc.
Tell us what happens!
#786 of 914 Re: chirp [kneisl1]
Mar 17, 2011 (3:21 pm)
I checked the accessory pulleys again with the belt off and all seems fine there - very smooth with no rough bearings or wiggles.
I also did some more research and found the "water spritz test" - basically you get the belts damp by dripping water on them and if the noise still persists it is more likely misalignment or a bad bearing; if it goes away it is likely a belt slipping or wear issue. So I started by getting only the power steering belt wet, and voila... no more squeaking. The ps belt still has a green toyota label on it, maybe it is oe and after 96,000 miles and harsh WI winters its time is up. It does feel a bit glazed. Either way I am leaning toward that being the issue, since I am confident that my drive belt is tensioned too tight or close to too tight already so I doubt that's slipping.
I don't have the tools to access or change the power steering belt (evidently you need to remove the wheel?), so looks like it might be time to get the local shop involved. Alternatively I suppose I could just keep driving it until the belt fails completely - as long as I'm at less than 40mph the Echo shouldn't be that hard to control without power steering, right? I can't stand the noise though.
Thanks for the tip though - I learned a thing or two, and I got a new drive belt out of the deal.
Mar 18, 2011 (3:30 pm)
Huh my sons 2000 ECHO has the same problem. The ps squeels at times. Somes times it good, sometimes its not. I took the wheel off to examine the belt. It appeared to be in excellent shape and properly tensioned. I believe the PO changed both belts about 40k miles ago. I could find no reason for the noise so i sprayed the belt with "belt dressing". Drat that kid never answers his phone so I cant report any results! Anyone else use belt dressing or have a comment?
Mar 18, 2011 (5:04 pm)
Don't use belt dressing--it just makes things worse. If the tension is okay, then the belt itself needs to be changed.
#789 of 914 Re: chirp [albusd]
Apr 01, 2011 (2:09 pm)
Finally got around to having the shop change the belt out. If anyone is curious it cost me about $70 - $25 for the belt & $40 for the labor. That doesn't seem too bad considering it must have been a bear to change, although I bet the belt would have cost me half that if I bought it myself. The mechanic confirmed my suspicion that it was the original belt from the factory. Had I not run it so long with the chirp and glazed it up it probably would have went a few more miles, but I'd say 97000 is a pretty good run for a belt. Thanks again for your help.
#790 of 914 Re: Lower alternator bolt [mnman]
Apr 07, 2011 (6:05 am)
You mentioned in your May, 09 posting that you had an ECHO manual. Could I pay you to send me a copy? Thanks,
#791 of 914 front wheel grind 2000 echo
Apr 07, 2011 (4:04 pm)
I own a 2000 echo with 142,000 miles on it. Just recently I've noticed a grinding noise from the left front wheel when I turn slightly left above 30 or so mph. I removed the wheel, removed the brake pads and rotor and could find nothing. I have some bearing backlash , but it is within spec. I tried different tires, thinking maybe a rim or belt was causing this, but it still is present. I drive around 90 miles daily and after two weeks the car handles no different than before the noise started. I don't think its a bearing as I've driven it over 2 weeks. Could it be an axle? anyone else having this issue