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Toyota ECHO, Coupe, Sedan
#721 of 914 Re: toyota echo 2004 sometimes is hard to start ! error p0341 [victor13b]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 23, 2010 (10:23 am)
As you face the engine it's on YOUR right side, stuck into the valve cover.
You may need to see one on the shelf at Autozone to be able to identify it.
These "codes" don't really tell you which part is defective, only which SYSTEM is in distress. You could have a bad sensor, or bad wiring.
You have to remove the sensor, get an OHMETER, and measure the resistance between the two terminals of the sensor.
cold --between 1630 and 2740 ohms (between 14F and 122F)
hot -- 2065 -- 3225
If the ohms are outside these parameters, replace the sensor.
#722 of 914 Re: toyota echo 2004 sometimes is hard to start ! error p0341 [Mr_Shiftright]
May 23, 2010 (10:42 am)
ok! is located in the driver side? engine air filter side? if i remove the engiine no go out of time ?
#723 of 914 Re: toyota echo 2004 sometimes is hard to start ! error p0341 [Mr_Shiftright]
May 23, 2010 (11:13 am)
here a picture! please confirm!
#724 of 914 Re: toyota echo 2004 sometimes is hard to start ! error p0341 [victor13b]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 23, 2010 (11:27 am)
I don't know, I've never seen one on an Echo. It should have a little bolt that attaches it to the block.
#725 of 914 Re: P0171 [realwilkes]
Jun 13, 2010 (5:09 am)
took car to a garage and they replaced the mass air flow, I don't believe he knew how to test it or clean it, new plugs and cleaned the throttle body. light only stayed off for about 20 miles and real runs bad. the cel is on not flashing. have made an appt. with toyota dealer. don't know what else to try. o2 sensors never coded. no engine miss until about 20 miles out. 90% highway travel. notice reduction of power and followed by engine stumble with light coming on followed by racing engine.
Aug 29, 2010 (1:21 pm)
Have a 2000 echo that makes noise on the drivers side when i hit 35 to 40 miles an hour. When i push in the clutch the noise goes away. Any one have some ideas.Thanks.
#727 of 914 Several unrelated Echo questions
Sep 12, 2010 (12:28 pm)
This 2003 Echo is actually my first car, so my questions are gonna be newbie-ish:
1) I just passed the 50,000 mile mark; aside from oil changes every 3,000 miles and some kind of maintenance at 30K...what other routine things should I be doing?
2) There's a scheduled major maintenance at 60K, is that right? Does anyone know what the entails and how to avoid getting REAMED at the dealer?
3) My trunk can no longer be opened with the lock (key). I tried looking at the lock assembly...but could not figure out what would need to be lubricated...anyone else seen this?
4) I have a few chips out of the paint on the hood (less than 1 square centimeter of chips...like 5 small spots)...how much would a paint repair cost and where do you recommend this be done? Do non-dealers have the silver paint from a 2003 echo?
#728 of 914 Re: Several unrelated Echo questions [echo2003]
Sep 13, 2010 (7:23 am)
No problem and all good questions:
1 and 2: Technically, recommended oil service on all Toyotas is 5000 miles or 4 months (I do 5k or 6 months on my '01 Echo and '08 Yaris). The dealer and most oil-change places will write down 3 months/3k miles, but that's b/c they are trying to make money. The exceptions to this are if you drive in very dusty/gritty conditions or tow a trailer (which Canadian Echo's are technically approved to do), and then it's good to change the oil sooner.
As far as "major" maintenance goes, the Echo is very simple. Every 30000 (so 30, 60, 90 etc) miles the only additions to the normal stuff are to replace the engine coolant and replace the spark plugs, both of which can be done at home if you're even slightly mechanically minded.
Beyond that, the Toyota Scheduled Maintenance Guide only says to "inspect" other things such as Transmission and Brake fluid levels and whatnot. Bear in mind, the "Dealer Recommended Service Guide" has all kinds of other stuff added on b/c once again, they are trying to make money.
The Echo has a timing chain and not a belt, so there is no guidance for ever replacing that.
To be completely honest - I've never changed the engine coolant in my Echo. I'm at about 114k, bought it used at 70k 6 years ago and the previous owner had not done the 60k mx, so I'm guessing it hasn't been changed since the 30k mark. I've had bad experiences in the past with "Radiator Flushes". Every car I've ever had it done to, or have a friend who has had it done to has wound up with a coolant leak after the flush and bam - new radiator. My last three cars have never had a flush AND never had a leak and I had them up to 200k miles - coincidence?
I just make sure the coolant fluid level is good. I live in Houston and I've never had an over-heat issue even rocketing around at 85 on the highways in the summer. Of course, this is just my experience - you have to decide what you're comfortable with.
3. That's weird about your trunk lock. You're saying it won't even turn? Did it only recently quit working or did you get it like that? If it's the latter, you may be using the valet key. Those are designed to work the ignition and doors but not the trunk. If you bought it that way and it's the only key you have you might try the dealer. Toyota actually has records of keys for vehicles. A friend of mine used to repo for Toyota and they could actually give him a code to know what kind of key to cut. They might be able to make a new one for you. Beyond that you may be stuck unless you have the lock replaced. As long as you can open it from the inside, I guess it's not that big a deal though. If you bought the car from a dealer, I might hassle them for not giving you the regular key - even if that's all they received, you might be able to talk them in to helping you out.
If it worked before but doesn't any more, you could try some good ol' WD-40. There's also graphite lock lubricant available at most hardware stores, but some don't recommend using that b/c over time it can build up.
4)Most auto-part stores carry generic paint touch-up bottles. It's like a bottle of nail polish, with a little brush attached to the cap. It may not be exact, but should be close. You can most likely buy the exact Toyota color at your dealer, but the thing is it will be "new" silver and probably won't quite match an "old" paint job which will have faded at least some. Still, for the small rock chips - either one is good enough.
#729 of 914 Re: Several unrelated Echo questions [dake]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Sep 13, 2010 (7:27 am)
Very good advice you gave, except if you don't mind I'll take issue with draining the coolant. Coolant wears out over time. This is just chemistry. So changing it is a good idea. You don't need to "flush" the radiator, that's true. Just drop the old coolant, add the new.
Also, you're right to suggest graphite lock lube rather than WD-40. Don't put WD-40 into a lock.
#730 of 914 Re: Several unrelated Echo questions [dake]
Sep 13, 2010 (4:33 pm)
Thanks for the great advice, I appreciate your time.
Regarding the trunk issue, I have been using my non-valet key...it turns a little bit in the lock, but not enough to do anything (actually I broke a cheap key copy once trying to open the lock)...but before that, yeah, graphite didn't really do much...I think the problem is downstream of the lock mechanism proper.
Regarding the paint...I still have the nail polish-style paint bottle that I got with the car....would that be sufficient amount to touch up? I'm looking for an invisible effect.
I'm posting here because I am now officially paranoid about the dealer here....I paid like US$600.00 for my 30K maintenance "check-up" (not to mention getting reamed on tires).
Love the car, though.