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At least we are objective when it comes even to the cars that we own ourself. We do see the good and the bad in all cars. No matter what you say, you'll never convince the two of them that their beloved Honda is not prefect. At least we have owned the Germans and the Japaneses. And I don't think either of them have ever owned a German marquee. They might have heard or read about the problems.
I say just save your breath and let them both worship Honda. At least they are not against us
Pro: The H in front of the car - that should mean impeccable realibity and safety
- Crappy tires in the wet/snowy conditions
- Defective AC system
- Lousy gas mileage (around 22mpg - all highway driving 60mph roundtrip) that hopefully will get better as this is my second tank of gas (note: same gas station, Mobil, that I use to fill up for my previous 01 A4. Averaging 28mpg in the A4)
- Seat belts to far behind to reach in my driving position
- Interior of the car starting to creak in the cold over bumpy roads (not noticable if the radio is on)
- Whinny transmission when in reverse. Went out w/ colleague and freak the living daylights out of her when she heard it. Had to explain that it is a FEATURE of Honda. It is really loud when radio if off and no other traffic around. But it is a Honda feature, like the defective AC System
- Dash lighting is poor. Orange color makes it hard to read around dusk time
- More to come
Features do you no good when you are in a loaner car because yours is in the shop.
The GTI doesn't sell..Period. They don't give em away because they know better than to send them here. If the GTI sells on it's merits I guess so does the regular Civic. The Golf has NO merits without the GTI is what you are saying huh? A total of 30,000 unit a year pales in comparison to the Civic. And since the Civic is such a "tin can" it's a wonder why they can sell over 10 TIMES as many of them as they do Golfs. Even with all the standard features.
Still stuck on the residual huh. I don't lease so it doesn't matter to me. And few people buy VW's so I guess it wouldn't matter much to anyone else.
But the Accord and Civic sell 800,000 units a year and still have stellar resale. That speaks louder than a car few people want new.
But as usual a bunch of personal anecdotes with no credible backing.
Here's a couple links.
1. Lexus 169
2. Toyota 146
3. Saturn 144
4. BMW 138
5. Honda 132
6. Hyundai 132
7. Acura 129
8. Volvo 126
9. Mitsubishi 122
10. Kia 121
11. Nissan 120
12. Porsche 118
13. Mercedes-Benz 117
14. Subaru 116
15. Audi 115
16. Suzuki 115
17. Mazda 113
18. GMC 112
19. Infiniti 112
20. Cadillac 110
21. Chevrolet 110
22. Saab 108
Industry average 108
Below average (in alphabetical order)
Daewoo, Hummer, Jaguar, Land Rover and Mini were not ranked due to small sample sizes.
Wheres's VW? Oh yeah at the bottom.
Where does VW rank??? Oh yeah near the bottom.
If I were a VW owner I would leave this one alone. Proven sub-par reliability, proven sub-par resale (compared to Honda), and proven sub-par dealer network.
204 Meca you want to know why there are so many supposedly superior GTI's for sale? Maybe this link'll give a hint.