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Re: Brake job. [bolivar] by jipster
Dec 05, 2008 (5:12 am)
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Replying to: bolivar (Dec 05, 2008 1:46 am)

The more important thing to be asking is why is one side at 50%, the other is at 20%.
 
I should have specified that the service advisor says I have between 20% and 50 % (20-50%) of my front pads left. Both left and right side front brakes are worn the same.
 
I have a Mazda MPV. At each oil change, or service, the dealership does a "full circle inspection". They check brakes, tires, battery, fluid levels etc. If whatever they check is in good condition it's given a green check mark , if it requires service soon then yellow, if requires immediate attention then red.
 
My last oil change 4 months ago my brakes were given a green check. Which means there was 50% or more left on the brake pads. The other day, during my oil change, the service advisor came on told me the pads were at 20%. Suggested I replace now as damage to rotors can occur if I let if go too long.
 
Now here's the thing. The service advisor first tells me front pads are at 20% and also wants to replace the back. Upon further questioning he says the back brakes are okay, but the front needs replacing. When I take a good look at my recommendation checklist, it says brakes checked in the yellow category means they have between 20 and 50% of pad left. I don't think pads go from 50% to 20% in 4 months, (my last oil change). So, I'm thinking my brakes are a bit worn. They fall in yellow at 20 to 50% of pad left.... probably around 40%. So, the service advisor tries the hardball approach to upselling by saying I have 20% left, instead of 20-50% left.
 
When I told the advisor I wanted to think about it, he offered to let me have a 10% off coupon which would save me around $24. I then said I wanted to hold off on any repairs at this time. This dealership just moved to a new location, the service department is never that busy. So, I'm thinking management is really pushing hard for the upsell. Probably going to get a second opinion as to whether the brakes need replacing. Thus far they have braked very good.... no problems.
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Re: Brake job. [jipster] by richardson
Dec 05, 2008 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: jipster (Dec 05, 2008 5:12 am)

I'd go back to that dealership and ask to see how they measure brakes. A friend of mine did that with a Lincoln dealer because they told his wife the car needed brakes. The service manager took out what looked like a stick to stir paint with that had a different color on each end. He then walked over to a car that was on the rack and shoved this stick up behind the wheel. My friend told him that you can't measure brakes that way and he said that's what we do. My friend then said what you are doing is selling people brake jobs they don't need and the answer was the same. Watch out at dealerships.
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poor rear brakes by jrg38
May 04, 2009 (7:42 am)
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I have a 1999 gmc savanna conversion van that 90 % of the stopping power is on the front "poor braking" all of the pads & linings are in new condition.
Could the problem be in the propotioning valve? if so can you replace with an adjustable? It does have antilock.
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brake rotors by yooper53
May 08, 2009 (12:32 pm)
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opinions needed...
just priced oem rotors for my '06 honda accord. i don't mind the extra expense if it makes a difference.
what would you say? oem or aftermarket?
many thanks in advance.
dennis
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Re: brake rotors [yooper53] by bpeebles
May 08, 2009 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: yooper53 (May 08, 2009 12:32 pm)

Your question "oem or aftermarket?" is really too vague.
 
Obviously real HONDA brake-rotors should be quality and long-lasting.
 
HOWEVER: Aftermarket quality is all over the map (literally) When it comes to brake-rotors, If you ask at the parts-counter, you will be given a range of prices (and quality)
 
Some of the el-cheepo rotors (made in mexico) parts may rust out within 2 years. It is not worth your time to install the el-cheepo rotors unless you are planning on selling the car soon.
 
On the other hand, brand-name rotors such as "Bendix", "Zimmermann" or "Brembo" could be as good as OEM. ("Zimmermann" is hi-quality German steel used on Porsche!)
 
I realize you did not ask about pads... but this is where braking-performance will be different. (Various rotors do not alter braking-performance much at all)
 
DO NOT install so-called "high performace" brakepads, you may be sorry. These type of pads need to be warmed up before they start to work well. This means that a "panic stop" will NOT have full breaking power. When it comes to pads, If you want to change, it is usually better to go with a mild upgrade from stock.
 
Also make certain that you"season" new rotors before bedding the pads. Taking the time to do this will reward you with long-lasting brakes. (most-likely as long as you own your car)
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Re: brake rotors [bpeebles] by 0patience
May 10, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: bpeebles (May 08, 2009 6:57 pm)

DO NOT install so-called "high performace" brakepads, you may be sorry. These type of pads need to be warmed up before they start to work well. This means that a "panic stop" will NOT have full breaking power. When it comes to pads, If you want to change, it is usually better to go with a mild upgrade from stock.
 
Agree whole-heartedly.
To add...................
If your vehicle came with metallic, semi-metallic or what ever, replace with like kind.
Sometimes, replacing organic with metallic (upgrading) can result in early rotor failure. I always recommend OEM brake pads, for the simple reason that the brake pads are designed for the rotors that are on your vehicle.
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Re: brake rotors [yooper53] by dtownfb
May 11, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: yooper53 (May 08, 2009 12:32 pm)

My two cents from a lay person: If you are going to do after market brake parts, go with the brand that your mechanic uses and trust. My old mechanic loved Wagner pads and rotors. He also was able to warranty the pads for me since he used them exclusively. My current mechanic does the same thing. The amount of information on brake parts is mind boggling and difficult for someone who does not deal with it on a regular basis.
 
Talk to your mechanic. he can recommend a good brand.
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Volvo S/60 Brake Replacement by ayc
May 16, 2009 (7:50 pm)
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Hi Folks- I'm new to CarSpace Forum. Appreciate your feedback. I have a ’05 Volvo, S/60 2.5T AWD. Has 45k mi. Bought it w/ 16k mi. I haven’t done any repair to the brakes yet and doubt the previous owner did. While braking I get pulsation feedback from the brake pedal and a little from the steering wheel. Much more pronounced when hard hiway braking vs.city. Replaced original tires w/ Bridgestone Potenza G019's Tires 35k mi. Am I looking rotors & pads, front & rear Replacement…or just rear? Is this usual for an S/60 with 45k mi? My driving style is average, not spirited. Estimate on what this will cost? I live in MA,
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Re: Volvo S/60 Brake Replacement [ayc] by kiawah
May 16, 2009 (8:17 pm)
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Replying to: ayc (May 16, 2009 7:50 pm)

Pulsation when braking is warped rotors. Fronts do the majority of the stopping.

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